CitizenVectron Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Nearly two-thirds of US young adults unaware 6m Jews killed in the Holocaust | World news | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM According to survey of adults 18-39, 23% said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, had been exaggerated or they weren’t sure 23% are Holocaust deniers 63% unaware that 6m Jews died 11% believe Jews caused Holocaust 70% said it was not acceptable to hold Nazi views (so the other 30%...) 48% cannot name a single camp or ghetto Very sad that history is so soon forgotten, or warped. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I, uh, what? Sometimes I think I’m the rare exception for my generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I'd love to be able to actually read this survey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 53 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I, uh, what? Sometimes I think I’m the rare exception for my generation. The alt-right is way more popular among young people then I like. I ran into someone playing HOI4 (not suprising) that I called a legit Nazi. Legit both sidings the Soviets and Nazis. Legit asking for proof of 6 million Jews killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Well a lot of them can't even get slavery straight how would they know what went down in another country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I find this hard to believe, but that's just based off my friend group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 This headline is rather misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Chris- said: This headline is rather misleading. So we got Rileyed again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chris- said: This headline is rather misleading. I don't think it is, but I've edited it to reflect the specific question the 2/3 represents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Seriously WTF. Hell I went here when I was a kid (the previous location, not the current one) http://en.wikipedia.org//static/favicon/wikipedia.ico Holocaust Museum LA - Wikipedia EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Also I'm pretty sure I went here as well https://www.museumoftolerance.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I honestly don't remember even getting to reconstruction in my high school history classes. We did the revolutionary war and some time before that, then to the civil war then just stop really. Maybe we made it to the progressive era, I just remember the pictures from the pullman strike but I also read ahead because the class was so boring. Next history or civics class was on government/civics and I think this covers my formal high school "social studies" education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 That 23% grouping is kinda weird. The first two are denier categories, but I don’t think being unsure about something is equivalent to holocaust denial. Is there a link to the actual questions and answers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I don't think it is, but I've edited it to reflect the specific question the 2/3 represents. I'm way happier with your edit. Still would love to read the survey though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 That’s crazy. I had no idea it was that bad at all, I would have guessed maybe like 10% weren’t aware, 5% were deniers. I don’t even understand how it could be that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 For reference: http://www.nytimes.com//vi-assets/static-assets/apple-touch-icon-28865b72953380a40aa43318108876cb.png Many Canadians Lack Basic Knowledge About the Holocaust, Study Finds - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM Nearly half of the Canadians surveyed could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto. The groups behind the study said it showed the pressing need for better Holocaust education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 The ignorance everywhere is depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 So an organization that exists to educate people about the holocaust releases surveys they produced showing the necessity of their service. Color me shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Not knowing the exact number doesn't mean you think that the count was low or that actions weren't immoral. How many people did Leopold kill? How many people died in the gulags? I don't know exact numbers but I know they were atrocities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I don't think it is, but I've edited it to reflect the specific question the 2/3 represents. I’d say it was; if you asked me how many people died in the Holocaust I probably wouldn’t answer it accurately, but that doesn’t mean I was unaware of its existence or magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 These numbers sound about right. If you don't believe that some 20-30% of the country is unabashedly racist then I don't know where you've been the last few centuries. That accounts for the Holocaust deniers, the ones blaming the Jews, and the ones that don't view the Nazis in a negative light. The rest is just good old American ignorance. They probably know a bunch of Jews died in the Holocaust, but they couldn't give you a number. They'd probably guess somewhere between 100,000 and a million, or maybe highball it to like 10m. As for the names on concentration camps, people don't even know the names of streets in their towns or the capital of the state at their closest border. I don't doubt for a second half of Americans couldn't name a concentration camp. I'm sure that number is closer to 90% if you tell them they can't include Auschwitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I got into an argument with someone who tried to convince me that more Italians died in the Holocaust than Jews. Italians are dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 I wouldn’t be surprised if most people on this board couldn’t nail how many Soviet or Chinese civilian casualties there were doing WW2, or how many deaths the US caused during our napalm campaigns in Japan, and this board is likely above average in knowledge of history. The further out we get from an event in history the less importance the fine details get in teaching that history. The only category I think that matters here are the denier types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I wouldn’t be surprised if most people on this board couldn’t nail how many Soviet or Chinese civilian casualties there were doing WW2, or how many deaths the US caused during our napalm campaigns in Japan, and this board is likely above average in knowledge of history. The further out we get from an event in history the less importance the fine details get in teaching that history. The only category I think that matters here are the denier types. I can recite the death tolls from practically every human atrocity in history from memory! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Just now, Emperor Diocletian II said: I can recite the death tolls from practically every human atrocity from memory! I’m not here to kink shame, Wade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I wouldn’t be surprised if most people on this board couldn’t nail how many Soviet or Chinese civilian casualties there were doing WW2, or how many deaths the US caused during our napalm campaigns in Japan, and this board is likely above average in knowledge of history. The further out we get from an event in history the less importance the fine details get in teaching that history. The only category I think that matters here are the denier types. I know people from Tulsa who learned about the massacre from wikipedia upon googling it after seeing Watchmen, so... yeah this all tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Somewhat relatedly, A National Guard Twitch Streamer Said '6 Million Wasn't Enough' on Stream WWW.VICE.COM The sudden invocation of the Holocaust on Twitch highlights all the ways the Pentagon had no idea what it was getting into on Twitch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I know people from Tulsa who learned about the massacre from wikipedia upon googling it after seeing Watchmen, so... yeah this all tracks. I only learned about it recently and I can answer some of the questions sb posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Emperor Diocletian II said: I can recite the death tolls from practically every human atrocity in history from memory! And yet somehow yours is still at zero. Us dying of old age does not count towards your scorecard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: I’m not here to kink shame, Wade 23% are Holocaust deniers 63% unaware that 6m Jews died 11% believe Jews caused Holocaust 70% said it was not acceptable to hold Nazi views (so the other 30%...) 48% cannot name a single camp or ghetto 0.00000001% still able to deliver sick burns in holocaust denial threads 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 My thoroughly scientific poll of my daughter and her boyfriend has returned the fact that they both knew the event in history, understood who the Nazi's were, and knew that "millions" of Jews died. The naming of camps was a swing an a miss for my daughter, but her boyfriend picked up the spare with Auschwitz! Both agree, Nazi ideology = pretty damn bad. My 7 year old just wanted to play Among Us and had little interest in answers my genocide related questions! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr.Vic20 said: My 7 year old just wanted to play Among Us and had little interest in answers my genocide related questions! Parental failure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 5 hours ago, sblfilms said: I wouldn’t be surprised if most people on this board couldn’t nail how many Soviet or Chinese civilian casualties there were doing WW2, or how many deaths the US caused during our napalm campaigns in Japan, and this board is likely above average in knowledge of history. The further out we get from an event in history the less importance the fine details get in teaching that history. The only category I think that matters here are the denier types. I'm aware of those numbers. But I also extensively read books on these subjects because I think history is pretty fucking important to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said: My thoroughly scientific poll of my daughter and her boyfriend has returned the fact that they both knew the event in history, understood who the Nazi's were, and knew that "millions" of Jews died. The naming of camps was a swing an a miss for my daughter, but her boyfriend picked up the spare with Auschwitz! Both agree, Nazi ideology = pretty damn bad. My 7 year old just wanted to play Among Us and had little interest in answers my genocide related questions! Same except it was my daughter who could name a concentration camp. My wife makes the rest of us look like fools, she knew 10 of the camp names. She can also tell you a good portion of the Nazi upper ranks, what they did and if what they were convicted of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Same except it was my daughter who could name a concentration camp. My wife makes the rest of us look like fools, she knew 10 of the camp names. She can also tell you a good portion of the Nazi upper ranks, what they did and if what they were convicted of. Sounds like a perfect candidate to join me in my HOI4 games. Though we would be playing as the Allies so I don't want her marked as ANTIFA by DHS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: Sounds like a perfect candidate to join me in my HOI4 games. Though we would be playing as the Allies so I don't want her marked as ANTIFA by DHS. If I let the cat out of the bag about that game Id never get my PC back from her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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