AbsolutSurgen Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 4/20/69? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Alright, let's go big Navi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Can't wait for @Mr.Vic20 say, "Oh nice" then not buy it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Keyser_Soze said: Can't wait for @Mr.Vic20 say, "Oh nice" then not buy it Its been years since I've said "oh nice" about an AMD card! I just want them to not let Nvidia run away with everything. Unless they have a counter to DLSS, this is an impossible hill for AMD to climb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 About Zen 3. Part 2.10 core's processors - it's real :)@AMDRyzen @AMD #Ryzen— Yuri Bubliy (@1usmus) September 7, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 A few publications are saying this is related to Big Navi. I guess we'll see soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 AMD on facebook posted that 10/8 is about Zen 3 and 10/28 is for RDNA2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Nothing to see here guys. Just an announcement of an announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 Ann announcement of the announcement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I like that part about discussing the future beyond RDNA2 and Zen3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 42 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Ann announcement of the announcement! “The best of Radeon” is a disappointing prospect and not a high bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Sooooo...not more bikes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: “The best of Radeon” is a disappointing prospect and not a high bar. Heyy the 9800 Pro was the shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, Zaku3 said: Heyy the 9800 Pro was the shit. Sure, so was my 4870 Pro. What does that have to do with current performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 The Challenge AMD has is that with the advent of DLSS2.0 and beyond, adoption of this tech is now rapidly moving forward. When DLSS 1.0 hit it mostly just sat there. DLSS 2.0 is genuinely gaining traction and if it hits broad adoption, AMD must have an alternative or they will be slaughter in both performance and price from the top of the stack to the bottom. I hope their new GPUs have a solution to this issue, or the next generation of RTX card will be more expensive than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: The Challenge AMD has is that with the advent of DLSS2.0 and beyond, adoption of this tech is now rapidly moving forward. When DLSS 1.0 hit it mostly just sat there. DLSS 2.0 is genuinely gaining traction and if it hits broad adoption, AMD must have an alternative or they will be slaughter in both performance and price from the top of the stack to the bottom. I hope their new GPUs have a solution to this issue, or the next generation of RTX card will be more expensive than ever. #SaveUsMatrox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Sure, so was my 4870 Pro. What does that have to do with current performance? I thought u meant in general. Also please AMD give me a reason to upgrade from my 6700k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Just now, Zaku3 said: I thought u meant in general. Nah, I’m talking about the past 4-5 years ... basically ever since they dropped the ATi name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted September 9, 2020 Author Share Posted September 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: The Challenge AMD has is that with the advent of DLSS2.0 and beyond, adoption of this tech is now rapidly moving forward. When DLSS 1.0 hit it mostly just sat there. DLSS 2.0 is genuinely gaining traction and if it hits broad adoption, AMD must have an alternative or they will be slaughter in both performance and price from the top of the stack to the bottom. I hope their new GPUs have a solution to this issue, or the next generation of RTX card will be more expensive than ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mr.Vic20 said: The Challenge AMD has is that with the advent of DLSS2.0 and beyond, adoption of this tech is now rapidly moving forward. When DLSS 1.0 hit it mostly just sat there. DLSS 2.0 is genuinely gaining traction and if it hits broad adoption, AMD must have an alternative or they will be slaughter in both performance and price from the top of the stack to the bottom. I hope their new GPUs have a solution to this issue, or the next generation of RTX card will be more expensive than ever. It might not because of the consoles. They seem pretty powerful so that might keep Nvidia in check. Plus the low adoption rate for the 2xxx series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, Zaku3 said: It might not because of the consoles. They seem pretty powerful so that might keep Nvidia in check. Plus the low adoption rate for the 2xxx series. Those are fair points, but the 3xxx series will sell really well and the 2xxx series will finally start selling on the used market because the 3xxx series makes them more than redundant. In my mind, it really comes down to just how easy it is to implement future DLSS iterations. If it gets any easier than 2.0 and 80% of the discrete market is team green, how do you stop that? Games that start as console titles will also adopt DLSS when ported over, just like Death Stranding. Whatever the method, DLSS or otherwise, AI assisted reconstruction techniques are clearly the path forward. I just hope AMD does what they always do and find a way to take this feature our of Nvidia's singular control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr.Vic20 said: The Challenge AMD has is that with the advent of DLSS2.0 and beyond, adoption of this tech is now rapidly moving forward. When DLSS 1.0 hit it mostly just sat there. DLSS 2.0 is genuinely gaining traction and if it hits broad adoption, AMD must have an alternative or they will be slaughter in both performance and price from the top of the stack to the bottom. I hope their new GPUs have a solution to this issue, or the next generation of RTX card will be more expensive than ever. Agreed. DLSS 2.0 is a game changer. When a GPU can render as little as 1/4 the pixels and the rest can be accurately "guessed", at a huge performance uplift, that will have consequences for the entire product stack at all budget levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I maintain that RDNA 3 will be the generation from AMD that finally turns some heads. I expect something between a 3070 and 3080 with more vram but fewer features this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Buy that stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Man, I want to be wrong about this GPU, I REALLY hate nVidia having such a monopoly. Like, you can’t even say that AMD is a mid-end alternative at this point when taking into account RTX features and DLSS, especially. The 5700 XT prices $20-100 below the nVidia equivalent (RTX 2070 or 2070 Super depending if you want a hair below or a hair above 5700 XT performance) but offers no AI upscaling and no ray-tracing making it a “why would anyone buy this over a 2070/2070 Super unless you hate nVidia or don’t know any better?” GPU. Big Navi should have some type of DX12 ray-tracing support, but I’m not expecting much in terms of it matching the RT performance of the 30XX series. Again, I *REALLY* hope I’m wrong, but AMD just seems light years behind at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaku3 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Man, I want to be wrong about this GPU, I REALLY hate nVidia having such a monopoly. Like, you can’t even say that AMD is a mid-end alternative at this point when taking into account RTX features and DLSS, especially. The 5700 XT prices $20-100 below the nVidia equivalent (RTX 2070 or 2070 Super depending if you want a hair below or a hair above 5700 XT performance) but offers no AI upscaling and no ray-tracing making it a “why would anyone buy this over a 2070/2070 Super unless you hate nVidia or don’t know any better?” GPU. Big Navi should have some type of DX12 ray-tracing support, but I’m not expecting much in terms of it matching the RT performance of the 30XX series. Again, I *REALLY* hope I’m wrong, but AMD just seems light years behind at this point. I have somewhat tempered my expectations. In that if I can't get a 3080 or 3090 I will settle for Big navi because I expect it to be between a 3080 and 3070. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Zaku3 said: I have somewhat tempered my expectations. In that if I can't get a 3080 or 3090 I will settle for Big navi because I expect it to be between a 3080 and 3070. If it doesn’t have comparable RT performance and/or doesn’t have a DLSS equivalent (that devs will actually support), I’d highly recommend against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Is AMD even capable of something like DLSS at anything approaching an equivalent quality? I feel like nvidia is REALLY far ahead in the AI game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Is AMD even capable of something like DLSS at anything approaching an equivalent quality? I feel like nvidia is REALLY far ahead in the AI game. There’s rumors that they’ve been working (scrambling) on their own equivalent. Who knows if it’s ready for their next GPU, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Man, I want to be wrong about this GPU, I REALLY hate nVidia having such a monopoly. Like, you can’t even say that AMD is a mid-end alternative at this point when taking into account RTX features and DLSS, especially. The 5700 XT prices $20-100 below the nVidia equivalent (RTX 2070 or 2070 Super depending if you want a hair below or a hair above 5700 XT performance) but offers no AI upscaling and no ray-tracing making it a “why would anyone buy this over a 2070/2070 Super unless you hate nVidia or don’t know any better?” GPU. Big Navi should have some type of DX12 ray-tracing support, but I’m not expecting much in terms of it matching the RT performance of the 30XX series. Again, I *REALLY* hope I’m wrong, but AMD just seems light years behind at this point. This is premature. There are no third party reviews of Nvidia's new cards and AMD hasn't even announced anything yet. Navi 10 was a viable mid tier option last gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Massdriver said: This is premature. There are no third party reviews of Nvidia's new cards and AMD hasn't even announced anything yet. Navi 10 was a viable mid tier option last gen. If you read my entire post you’d see I was talking about the currently released cards... like, literally the next sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Massdriver said: This is premature. There are no third party reviews of Nvidia's new cards and AMD hasn't even announced anything yet. Navi 10 was a viable mid tier option last gen. Yeah we don't really need reviews. We've seen games running on the 3080. It's pretty much exactly what they claimed. Barring any catastrophic hardware issues, all appears as claimed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Just now, Spork3245 said: If you read my entire post you’d see I was talking about the currently released cards... like, literally the next sentence My last sentence covered my stance on Navi 10. I disagree. Ray tracing arguably wasn't worth the FPS cost on the 2070 and DLSS 1.0 wasn't widely supported. It's going to be a much bigger deal going forward, but when talking about buying a card over a year ago, it just wasn't as big of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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