number305 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 2 hours ago, eventide11 said: 1993 Starfox I guess.. Not a super great year for games IMO This comment probably needs its own thread, but early 3d games have aged like garbage. Most snes games are still great... Not star fox. As a matter of fact most n64 and ps1 games I can't look at anymore. In their day I loved them. Now I would rather play a NES game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 PS1 did have some good 2D games still. N64 has just aged like garbage. I have my N64, PS1, and Saturn all RGB modded and N64 is by far the ugliest these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: N64 has just aged like garbage. I have my N64, PS1, and Saturn all RGB modded and N64 is by far the ugliest these days. N64 was ugly when it launched. Muddy ugly textures and slowdown up the ass and tons of fog. It never looked good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitgod Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Tic-tac-toe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 7 hours ago, Keyser_Soze said: N64 was ugly when it launched. Muddy ugly textures and slowdown up the ass and tons of fog. It never looked good. Exactly. Thankfully it had some amazing games with excellent gameplay, because they looked terrible. M64 and OoT are still among the best games ever made, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Ninja Gaiden (OG XBOX) MGS: Twin Snakes Fable Spider-Man 2 (PS2) Rome: Total War Viewtiful Joe GTA: San Andreas Halo 2 Half-Life 2 Metroid Prime 2 Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines MGS3: Snake Eater World of Warcraft KOTOR2 LotR: Battle for Middle Earth Gran Turismo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eventide11 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I remember playing shadows of the empire and having no idea what to do next because of how garbage the visuals were. Like an obvious path or door etc was covered in crap from how muddy everything looked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 12 hours ago, number305 said: This comment probably needs its own thread, but early 3d games have aged like garbage. Most snes games are still great... Not star fox. As a matter of fact most n64 and ps1 games I can't look at anymore. In their day I loved them. Now I would rather play a NES game. Oddly enough, arguably, StarFox 64 is probably the N64 game that has aged the best graphically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 22 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Ninja Gaiden (OG XBOX) MGS: Twin Snakes Fable Spider-Man 2 (PS2) Rome: Total War Viewtiful Joe GTA: San Andreas Halo 2 Half-Life 2 Metroid Prime 2 Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines MGS3: Snake Eater World of Warcraft KOTOR2 LotR: Battle for Middle Earth Gran Turismo 4 That was an incredible year for games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 23 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Ninja Gaiden (OG XBOX) MGS: Twin Snakes Fable Spider-Man 2 (PS2) Rome: Total War Viewtiful Joe GTA: San Andreas Halo 2 Half-Life 2 Metroid Prime 2 Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines MGS3: Snake Eater World of Warcraft KOTOR2 LotR: Battle for Middle Earth Gran Turismo 4 If I'm picking one... Oof really tough choice between Halo 2 and Half-Life 2. Ultimately I think I gotta go Halo 2 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 23 hours ago, Spork3245 said: Ninja Gaiden (OG XBOX) MGS: Twin Snakes Viewtiful Joe GTA: San Andreas Half-Life 2 Metroid Prime 2 MGS3: Snake Eater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dualhunter Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Unreal Tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, dualhunter said: Unreal Tournament A guy in my year installed UT on all the school computers so every IT lesson for the year was one big LAN party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 12:42 AM, Keyser_Soze said: N64 was ugly when it launched. Muddy ugly textures and slowdown up the ass and tons of fog. It never looked good. It looked stunningly amazing when it came out. People would stare at the screen mouth agape at how amazing the games looked. I think it was the single largest generational leap in the entire history of video games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 KOTOR Other choices for 2003 included: Wind Waker Vice City Sands of Time Splinter Cell Warcraft 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XxEvil AshxX Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/11/2020 at 11:54 AM, GameDadGrant said: I could probably make a short list, but easily The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time surpasses them all. That said, I should mention: Metal Gear Solid Resident Evil 2 F-Zero X Spyro the Dragon Banjo-Kazooie Turok 2: Seeds of Evil Half-Life Those are the games I've played. A few SEGA Saturn games are noteworthy to mention that came out in that year, including: Panzer Dragoon Saga Radiant Silvergun Magic Knight Rayearth But I didn't play those. Only had a handful of Saturn games back in the day, to be honest. .....guess I ended up making a short list after all, lulz. I don't know why, but it blows my mind that RE2, Banjo-Kazooie, and OoT came out the same year. For some reason I remember being younger when Banjo-Kazooie came out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 10:12 AM, Spork3245 said: Oddly enough, arguably, StarFox 64 is probably the N64 game that has aged the best graphically I'd say Wave Race really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, chakoo said: I'd say Wave Race really. I did say “arguably”. It’s in contrast to how SNES Star Fox has aged terribly graphically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I have an old TV in the basement for retro gaming but we never use it. I hooked up my N64 a while back and I honestly thought something was wrong with my setup everything looked so unbelievably bad... but no, that's just what the games looked like. It's shocking what our imaginations filled in when playing these games... NES and SNES games still look good, but those early 3D games have aged REALLY REALLY poorly. Wave Race was the first game I played and it looked like a dog turd smeared on glass that someone pissed on. But at the time? Holy crap, they looked like nothing we had seen. I remember people thinking Mario 64 looked exactly like you were playing a real live cartoon. It was revolutionary at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, ort said: I have an old TV in the basement for retro gaming but we never use it. I hooked up my N64 a while back and I honestly thought something was wrong with my setup everything looked so unbelievably bad... but no, that's just what the games looked like. It's shocking what our imaginations filled in when playing these games... NES and SNES games still look good, but those early 3D games have aged REALLY REALLY poorly. Wave Race was the first game I played and it looked like a dog turd smeared on glass that someone pissed on. But at the time? Holy crap, they looked like nothing we had seen. I remember people thinking Mario 64 looked exactly like you were playing a real live cartoon. It was revolutionary at the time. The first time I got to play SM64 it was a couple months before the system released and a little mom and pop video game store had a playable kiosk of it set up. I played it with my dad, and I remember him telling me not to get too excited because obviously the home version couldn't possibly be as good graphically as what we were seeing in that store. We were still able to be impressed in those days. Nothing is good enough now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 https://www.thegamer.com/n64-video-games-look-amazing-forgot/ There are some N64 games that I still play and don't find horrific to look at, but I do really wish I had a CRT to play them on rather than a 1080p television. Worse as I have a decent one at my parents house but my wife is adamant we aren't having it in our house as it would clutter the place up...(half the reason why, when we eventually move, I would love a loft conversion where I can stash my older consoles and a TV to play them on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dualhunter Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 I was disappointed with early 3D, 3D models on a workstation and pre-rendered stuff raised my expectations such that the low polygon count and low detail in actual games was a big let down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heydude93 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Good question. The year for gaming when I was 18 was kinda bonkers, so I honestly don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer.tv Posted July 13, 2020 Author Share Posted July 13, 2020 1998 and 2004 were always the two years that I felt had stupidly good line ups. RE4, MGS3 and HL2 make it incredible on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, ort said: I have an old TV in the basement for retro gaming but we never use it. I hooked up my N64 a while back and I honestly thought something was wrong with my setup everything looked so unbelievably bad... but no, that's just what the games looked like. It's shocking what our imaginations filled in when playing these games... NES and SNES games still look good, but those early 3D games have aged REALLY REALLY poorly. Wave Race was the first game I played and it looked like a dog turd smeared on glass that someone pissed on. But at the time? Holy crap, they looked like nothing we had seen. I remember people thinking Mario 64 looked exactly like you were playing a real live cartoon. It was revolutionary at the time. I agree with Mario especially but very quickly I remember many games being heavily criticized for the typical "N64 fog" and dreadful framerates. I remember Turok being heavily docked, two points on the -/10 scale in a German magazines at the time for the awful draw distance and fog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjomesphat Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 SOME OF YOU ARE OLD AS FUCK! Anyway, 2005 had two of my top 10. RE4 and Phoenix Wright (DS release). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 1 hour ago, ort said: I have an old TV in the basement for retro gaming but we never use it. I hooked up my N64 a while back and I honestly thought something was wrong with my setup everything looked so unbelievably bad... but no, that's just what the games looked like. It's shocking what our imaginations filled in when playing these games... NES and SNES games still look good, but those early 3D games have aged REALLY REALLY poorly. Wave Race was the first game I played and it looked like a dog turd smeared on glass that someone pissed on. But at the time? Holy crap, they looked like nothing we had seen. I remember people thinking Mario 64 looked exactly like you were playing a real live cartoon. It was revolutionary at the time. If you're just using some mediocre old CRT with composite hookups, I can only imagine how bad it looks. We run it though RGB on a high quality new CRT and it's definitely a lot sharper, but still pretty ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 8 hours ago, ort said: those early 3D games have aged REALLY REALLY poorly This is really mostly an N64 problem. Playstation games don't look amazing but they don't look horrible either, plus they have textures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: This is really mostly an N64 problem. Playstation games don't look amazing but they don't look horrible either, plus they have textures! I disagree. Playstation games were plagued by draw distances and framerate issues often as well, and tended to have even more flat-color shaded surfaces in fully 3D games like Spyro than their N64 counterparts like Banjo Kazooie. Don't forget textures and lines that would warp and pop as you moved the camera around. It quite literally struggled to draw straight lines in textures straight. It was at least as bad on the PS1, often for different reasons. I'd take a 2d game on Playstation any day of the week over the N64 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I turned 18 in sept of 96. Final Fantasy 7 released January of 97. that game is still one of my GOATs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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