Movies Tenet - Trailer and Discussion Thread (Opening 09/03/20)

[Guest]

Oddly enough, Interstellar is the film of his I feel works best with his whacky sound choices. Some times the way he ratcheted up the score to the point of making the dialogue unintelligible was obviously on purpose AND very effective.

 

Back to Tenet. Watched it finally start to finish. I liked it a lot. It’s a mess of a story, but I’m just a sucker for anything time travel and the movie amusingly enough gets into some territory that came up in the thread about Dr Manhattan and time. @skillzdadirecta mentioned there that movies like BTTF and Terminator created the modern idea of time travel and it’s rules. Tenet fights with the rules throughout its run time. 
 

Is it as smart as it wants you to think? No, but that is Nolan. He sits in this weird space where he does Spielberg level popcorn munchers with a thin veneer of sophistication. If you aren’t on board with all the entails by this point, you never will be so move along.

 

Looking forward to watching it again. The indoor theaters are empty here in Houston so I may catch a Dolby Cinema screening at the local AMC on Tuesday since I’m taking the day off.

[Guest]

@SaysWho?saw my FB post about it, but holy moly, looking at big  indoor theaters in the Houston market tonight for Tenet is shocking even if though I expected the film to open extremely soft. Lots of Primetime 6-8pm screenings empty or only a handful of tickets sold even now with only a couple hours to show time. People just aren’t ready for indoor theaters, but oddly enough, that makes it really safe to go right now 😂😭😂😭😂😭

[skillzdadirecta]

I'm looking forward to seeing it at some point... I tend to enjoy his films more than most ( I LOVED Interstellar). I WILL NOT support this in the theaters though because I just felt this sent the wrong message during a pandemic and that was mostly due to Nolan. In retrospect this was a risky move for Warners to put it in theaters. It's an original story with no big stars in it... what did they think was going to be the draw to get folks in theaters during this time? I'll be curious to see how Mulan did against this in its home debut this weekend 

 

regarding time travel @sblfilms I think what I was saying is that most of our modern notions of the fictional concept of time travel come from The Terminator and Back to the Future which themeselves were influenced by HG Wells The Time Machine. My point I was trying to make was that there really ARE no established rules for time travel because its not a real thing. Filmmakers should be free to constantly make up the rules for time travel as they see fit without someone telling them that what they are doing is "wrong".

[Kal-El814]

7 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

regarding time travel @sblfilms I think what I was saying is that most of our modern notions of the fictional concept of time travel come from The Terminator and Back to the Future which themeselves were influenced by HG Wells The Time Machine. My point I was trying to make was that there really ARE no established rules for time travel because its not a real thing. Filmmakers should be free to constantly make up the rules for time travel as they see fit without someone telling them that what they are doing is "wrong".

 

All you have to do is that magical PowerPoint presentation The Ancient One did in Endgame.

[skillzdadirecta]

7 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said:

 

All you have to do is that magical PowerPoint presentation The Ancient One did in Endgame.

THIS exchange from Looper does it better

 

 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

regarding time travel @sblfilms I think what I was saying is that most of our modern notions of the fictional concept of time travel come from The Terminator and Back to the Future which themeselves were influenced by HG Wells The Time Machine. My point I was trying to make was that there really ARE no established rules for time travel because its not a real thing. Filmmakers should be free to constantly make up the rules for time travel as they see fit without someone telling them that what they are doing is "wrong".

Oh yeah, I understood your point. What I was saying is that Nolan definitely plays around with audience ideas of how time travel works based on the sort of pop culture understanding stemming from those titles you mentioned. Tenet definitely creates its own rules and it’s really at its best when it has fun writing its own rule book. More stories should take that liberty and run with it.

[Kal-El814]

13 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

THIS exchange from Looper does it better

 

 

 

That's great and all but lemme know when Bruce Willis conjures an augmented reality presentation out of thin air that someone else can interact with and have updates made in REAL TIME.

 

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[Guest]

I love Looper, by the way

[Keyser_Soze]

How does the time travel stack up to Dark though?

[Guest]

https://deadline.com/2020/09/tenet-opening-weekend-box-office-1234571662/
 

$20 million domestically for Tenet. Labor Day weekend is historically terrible for Boxoffice as well, which raises other questions about Warner’s strategy here. Next weekend’s numbers will be very interesting for the industry.

[Brick]

They should have just been patient and waited until next year when there's hopefully a vaccine. 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

I have no bloody idea how to even begin describing what I just watched other than an overly loud, incomprehensible mess.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Brick said:

They should have just been patient and waited until next year when there's hopefully a vaccine. 

The exhibition industry would be gone if all studios waited until there is a vaccine

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

I have no bloody idea how to even begin describing what I just watched other than an overly loud, incomprehensible mess.

It’s honestly pretty straightforward as a narrative!

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Just now, sblfilms said:

It’s honestly pretty straightforward as a narrative!

 

Yes, the overall narrative framework is straightforward and maybe the details that fill in the framework are as well, but I have no damned idea as I couldn't understand 80% of the dialogue.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Even without the pandemic, I'm pretty sure this film would struggle to live up to box office expectations if the audience reaction at my show as the credits rolled is any indication to go by.

[SuperSpreader]

3 hours ago, Emperor Diocletian II said:

I have no bloody idea how to even begin describing what I just watched other than an overly loud, incomprehensible mess.

So it's a Nolan movie. 

 

Edit: typo

 

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

12 hours ago, SlipperySlope said:

So it's a Nolan movie. 

 

It's perhaps the most Nolaniest Nolan movie that Nolan has Nolaned so far.  It's definitely "Maximum Nolan".

[SoberChef]

At this time, considering how restrictive NYS is with gatherings (even though gyms, restaurants, & shortly casinos will be open), more than likely I will not have the chance to do essentially my one favorite past time of viewing a film in theaters until who the hell knows when, I have more or less accepted that I will end up viewing this flick at home whenever I can obtain the 4K version of it. Perhaps by years' end then, but who knows? 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, SoberChef said:

At this time, considering how restrictive NYS is with gatherings (even though gyms, restaurants, & shortly casinos will be open), more than likely I will not have the chance to do essentially my one favorite past time of viewing a film in theaters until who the hell knows when, I have more or less accepted that I will end up viewing this flick at home whenever I can obtain the 4K version of it. Perhaps by years' end then, but who knows? 

Are you close to any NJ theaters?

[Brick]

20 hours ago, sblfilms said:

The exhibition industry would be gone if all studios waited until there is a vaccine

 

But what's the alternative? Studios putting their big movies out now in theatres, when it's still not safe to (in the U.S at least), is going to get people killed. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Brick said:

 

But what's the alternative? Studios putting their big movies out now in theatres, when it's still not safe to (in the U.S at least), is going to get people killed. 

No it isn’t. Particularly when you look at the demographics that make exhibition viable, the lowest death risk groups by far.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 hours ago, sblfilms said:

No it isn’t. Particularly when you look at the demographics that make exhibition viable, the lowest death risk groups by far.

Low risk doesn't mean no risk. SOME people, no matter how small the percentage, will get sick and some will die. That's a fact. The risk may be small but its still there.

 

5 hours ago, sblfilms said:

Are you close to any NJ theaters?

 

 After the scenes this weekend from NJ beaches I'm not planning on going to any theaters in Jersey this weekend.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

Low risk doesn't mean no risk. SOME people, no matter how small the percentage, will get sick and some will die. That's a fact. The risk may be small but its still there.

It's not a fact, at all. It could happen, or not. The combination of low capacities and young demographics make it incredibly unlikely that movie theaters will be a source of spread, and certainly no more than the myriad other non-essential activities people are doing on a daily basis. There simply is not much risk for anybody to sit in a massive auditorium with 20 other people watching a movie, and the risk to the main theater going demographics is significantly less than the average person.

[skillzdadirecta]

41 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

It's not a fact, at all. It could happen, or not. The combination of low capacities and young demographics make it incredibly unlikely that movie theaters will be a source of spread, and certainly no more than the myriad other non-essential activities people are doing on a daily basis. There simply is not much risk for anybody to sit in a massive auditorium with 20 other people watching a movie, and the risk to the main theater going demographics is significantly less than the average person.

 

Ok 

[Iculus]

41 minutes ago, sblfilms said:

and the risk to the main theater going demographics is significantly less than the average person.

of death? Maybe. The risk of permanent lung scarring, neurological complications, and myocarditis are very much present in this demographic.

[skillzdadirecta]

"Please Don't Go To The Movies right now"

 

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Is it actually safe to go to a movie theater in the middle of a pandemic? “Short of renting out an entire theater, which is obviously not an option for most of us, there is no scenario in which going to a movie theater is a good idea,” says Dr. Anne W. Rimoin, professor of epidemiology and director of the Center For Global And Immigrant Health at the University Of California, Los Angeles. Her sentiments are echoed by Dr. Abdul El-Sayed: “It’s just about the last thing I’d do right now,” says the physician and epidemiologist, who is also a former city city health commissioner and host of the podcast America Dissected.

 

[Keyser_Soze]

He's just practicing his pitch on you guys for when he has to do it IRL at his theater.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Iculus said:

of death? Maybe. The risk of permanent lung scarring, neurological complications, and myocarditis are very much present in this demographic.

10 hours ago, Brick said:

 

But what's the alternative? Studios putting their big movies out now in theatres, when it's still not safe to (in the U.S at least), is going to get people killed. 

Why don’t people read the conversation before responding?

 

3 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said:

"Please Don't Go To The Movies right now"

 

 

Interestingly their positions aren’t based on any actual evidence, just their instincts. They didn’t perform any tests on how the theater environment interacts with the virus, especially in rooms with only 25-30% capacity, which is about the max you can fit with the current standard practices of the industry. Let me know if you come across something with any actual science involved.

[Brick]

Should I have said, "is going to get people sick" instead? 

[skillzdadirecta]

Hey look, more Doctors going on their "instincts" and not years of education and experience

 

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Many health experts say it’s too early to be going back to movie theaters when many other parts of normal life haven’t been able to return yet, like schools allowing children to come back for in-person instruction. 

Dr. Chaitanya Mandapakala, a pulmonologist and intensive care doctor with St. Elizabeth Healthcare in Kentucky, says he loves superhero and Christopher Nolan movies.

“However, there is no movie that is good enough for me to risk going to a movie theater at this point,” he said.

“As a frontline physician managing COVID-19, I have a responsibility to the community to follow the highest standard of precautions against the virus.”

While he says going to movie theaters will be safest when there’s a COVID-19 vaccine available, Mandapakala suggests people stay away from theaters that are only following health guidelines to the bare minimum.

“Look online or call ahead to ensure that the theater is taking safety precautions seriously,” he said.

Dr. Vinisha Amin, a hospital medicine physician with the University of Maryland Upper Chesapeake Health, says as more cities and counties think of opening their movie theaters, it’s important not to ignore medical data about how the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 spreads: through respiratory droplets.

That means when people remove their masks to eat popcorn, drink a soda, or laugh during the movie, their chances of potentially transmitting the coronavirus increases exponentially.

“Going to the movie theater is still medically considered a high-risk activity which can predispose greater numbers of individuals to acquire the virus,” Amin said.

 

[Iculus]

8 hours ago, sblfilms said:

Why don’t people read the conversation before responding?

 

Interestingly their positions aren’t based on any actual evidence, just their instincts. They didn’t perform any tests on how the theater environment interacts with the virus, especially in rooms with only 25-30% capacity, which is about the max you can fit with the current standard practices of the industry. Let me know if you come across something with any actual science involved.

I did. That's why I opened with "of death? maybe." 

[TheLeon]

On 8/25/2020 at 11:21 PM, TheLeon said:

 

 

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, Iculus said:

I did. That's why I opened with "of death? maybe." 

Death was the only point of discussion, and your maybe doesn’t even make sense. It’s a verifiable fact

 

[Keyser_Soze]

16 minutes ago, TheLeon said:

 

 

Oh that guy drove past San Onofre. I never knew there was a drive in around here.

 

Well I did (a long time ago) but I don't know where it is.