b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 hell yeah Joe "VAT" Manchin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 darn shame there's nothing we can do about this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I’m no expert in budget reconciliation, but with the little reading I’ve done over the past few years, I would have been shocked to see a minimum wage increase fall under the rules of reconciliation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 24 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: darn shame there's nothing we can do about this Horseshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, osxmatt said: I’m no expert in budget reconciliation, but with the little reading I’ve done over the past few years, I would have been shocked to see a minimum wage increase fall under the rules of reconciliation. If opening up anwr to oil and gas drilling has a direct effect on the budget than $15 min wage does too. Not to mention, this person can be replaced or overruled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Dems should just ignore the parliamentarian, or replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 you have to exercise power for Gods sake Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: you have to exercise power for Gods sake Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema) But they have to respect the rules even though they can make the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: Ilhan is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Cowards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Dems are going to lose the House and Senate in 2022 and they will deserve it. America has no functioning good party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: America has no functioning [fill in the blank] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 make infrastructure next you cowards. Let manchin write the bill for all I care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Federal judge rules eviction moratorium is unconstitutional WWW.CNN.COM A federal judge in Texas on Thursday ruled that the federal moratorium on evictions is unconstitutional, according to court documents. Seems like a good place to put this one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Dems should just ignore the parliamentarian, or replace them. Big Republican energy here. And I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/05/08/key-senate-official-loses-job-in-dispute-with-gop/e2310021-0f14-4667-a261-54e6c033207c/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Minimum wage should be separate from the stimulus bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jason said: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2001/05/08/key-senate-official-loses-job-in-dispute-with-gop/e2310021-0f14-4667-a261-54e6c033207c/ I have always found it interesting that we have had 15 presidents and only 6 parliamentarians since the job was introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 So I'm just going to assume nothing gets passed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 So if she has a mind to, Kamala can just say the Byrd rule is wrong, we're putting it in the bill, and dare 60 Senators to vote against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 7 hours ago, marioandsonic said: So I'm just going to assume nothing gets passed? Nah, the stimulus bill is getting passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 10 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: you have to exercise power for Gods sake Or have a plan for getting a $15/hr rider on a DoD bill (only to have it shot down because ultimately it won't go through because the democratic majority doesn't want to make it happen thanks to Manchin and Sinema) This thread is actually more of an argument on holding fire rather than how the first tweet makes it sound. He's right to say that things are different now and it didn't really work out in the long run for the repubs then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 12 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: Dems are going to lose the House and Senate in 2022 and they will deserve it. America has no functioning good party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Good Christ Texas judge finds national eviction ban unconstitutional WWW.CNBC.COM A federal judge in Texas ruled that the national ban on evictions is unconstitutional. Advocates warn of a spike in evictions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 "The constitution is clear: the government cannot and is not designed to help people." - Conservatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: "The constitution is clear: the government cannot and is not designed to help people." - Conservatives This has been the take since Reagan, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I probably agree with the judge that the mandate is unconstitutional. However, I fall back on my standard response whenever I hear about the constitutionality or unconstitutionality of an issue: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 The US needs a Notwithstanding Clause, like Canada. It allows the government to override the constitution in extreme circumstances, provided it can demonstrate it is necessary for the good of the people. Quote Section 33 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is known as the notwithstanding clause. Also known as the override clause, it is part of the Constitution of Canada. The clause allows federal, provincial or territorial governments to temporarily override, or bypass, certain Charter rights. These overrides are subject to renewal after five years. Although the clause is available to governments, its use is politically difficult and therefore rare. It is known colloquially as the “nuclear option,” because its use is considered extremely severe. Since the Constitution was patriated in 1982, the clause has been used only a handful of times by various provinces. The federal government has never invoked the clause. Quote Section 33 of the Charter In Canada’s constitutional system of government, the judicial branch interprets whether the government’s actions are within the rules and norms of the Constitution. If a court finds that a government has broken a constitutional rule or norm, it can force the government to change its actions. However, Section 33 of the Charter allows a government to bypass a court’s ruling. It declares: “Parliament or the legislature of a province may expressly declare in an Act of Parliament or of the legislature, as the case may be, that the Act or a provision thereof shall operate notwithstanding a provision included in section 2 or sections 7 to 15 of this Charter.” In other words, elected governments (federal, provincial or territorial) can implement a law or action “notwithstanding” — meaning “in spite of” — a Charter right. Generally in Canada it has been used by shitty conservative provincial governments to override court decisions by "liberal" judges, but the use has been fairly minor. Due to its nature as an allowed "nuclear option," it is rarely used, but is a good tool for the legislative branch (which should be the ultimate judge of law, long-term) to override the judicial on rare occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 59 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: "The constitution is clear: Fuck you, got mine." - Conservatives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, CitizenVectron said: The US needs a Notwithstanding Clause, like Canada. It allows the government to override the constitution in extreme circumstances, provided it can demonstrate it is necessary for the good of the people. This exists, it is the "compelling interest" test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This exists, it is the "compelling interest" test. Which is not actually part of the constitution, but something the judicial branch made up whole hog to allow the government to function in times and in matters of crisis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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