Jason Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Laying the groundwork for "FOREIGN INTERFERENCE REEEEEEE" when Trump loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Was anyone expecting anything different? It happened four years ago too. Regardless of how the election will go, Republicans clearly want Sanders, ergo the Russians want him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 More and more Bill Maher keeps getting proven right. He keeps saying that Trump won’t leave if he loses, citing reasons like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Russia wants chaos and a lifting of sanctions, not necessarily in that order. But I guess we'll be getting some shitty memes out of this. Anyway, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Jason said: Laying the groundwork for "FOREIGN INTERFERENCE REEEEEEE" when Trump loses. Oh, I don't think we need to be too concerned about that... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 But Bernie also continues to staff and employ as surrogates people who seek to divide the electorate, making his campaign a lightning rod for that interference. I don't think he's malicious but I worry that, on this, he's devastatingly ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Anathema- said: But Bernie also continues to staff and employ as surrogates people who seek to divide the electorate, making his campaign a lightning rod for that interference. I don't think he's malicious but I worry that, on this, he's devastatingly ignorant. What should he do to combat it though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Russia wants chaos and a lifting of sanctions, not necessarily in that order. But I guess we'll be getting some shitty memes out of this. Anyway, Counterpoint: The GOP is going use this to the max. And it will be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, CayceG said: What should he do to combat it though? He could hire real staff instead of loyalist trolls. That'd be a good start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Anathema- said: He could hire real staff instead of loyalist trolls. That'd be a good start. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 As Christ said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34-36) Bernard Sanders has come to bring a sword among the nation. Don't look at me that way - they're BOTH Jewish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Anathema- said: He could hire real staff instead of loyalist trolls. That'd be a good start. And what next, because that's not exactly a criticism valid just for Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If I ever ran a campaign, I'd actually hire a staff that actively loathed me and I'd reciprocate the feeling for them. I think that would be an interesting, workable dynamic. It would be a twist on the "team of rivals" concept that I'd call a "team of nemeses". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Why would Russia want Bernie as the Democratic nominee? Is it just to sow divide amongst voters, and because of Bernie-Bros? The kind of voters that are "Bernie or bust", that if he doesn't become the nominee they just won't vote, allowing Trump to win another 4 years? Why would the GOP want Sanders? Same reasons? (I have not read the article yet ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, CayceG said: And what next, because that's not exactly a criticism valid just for Sanders. To the level that Sanders has taken it to? Even just Sirota on his own would be bad enough but he doesn't have a single high profile surrogate or staffer that isn't divisive by nature. Honestly clearing out his staff would be enough for me; his choice of employee is actually the biggest thing that seriously concerns me about a Sanders presidency. I don't like the people he picks and the pattern is worrisome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brick said: Why would Russia want Bernie as the Democratic nominee? Is it just to sow divide amongst voters, and because of Bernie-Bros? The kind of voters that are "Bernie or bust", that if he doesn't become the nominee they just won't vote, allowing Trump to win another 4 years? Why would the GOP want Sanders? Same reasons? (I have not read the article yet ) Pretty much. There are mountains of video and other media where Sanders is extolling the virtues of socialism and central planning. The GOP has all of that. And they are going to release ads with these clips non-stop between the convention and election day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: If I ever ran a campaign, I'd actually hire a staff that actively loathed me no you wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bacon said: no you wouldn't Try me! I dare you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: Try me! I dare you! Prove it... bitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Counterpoint: The GOP is going use this to the max. And it will be effective. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 29 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Lol Why is that funny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Maybe bernie will buy Russian guillotines when he wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: If I ever ran a campaign, I'd actually hire a staff that actively loathed me and I'd reciprocate the feeling for them. I think that would be an interesting, workable dynamic. It would be a twist on the "team of rivals" concept that I'd call a "team of nemeses". They probably wouldn't work for you though. They'd turn down the job offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, Brick said: They probably wouldn't work for you though. They'd turn down the job offer. I'd frame it as the ultimate professional challenge they could ever undertake: if they could help a candidate they despised win, think of what they could do for one they actually liked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: Try me! I dare you! 1 hour ago, Bacon said: Prove it... bitch Literally this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 Russia’s goal (among others) is to destabilize the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: Why is that funny? Getting him on screen with Russians isn't a big deal, and the gop will smear whomever the nominee is Anyway, back to this abortion of a thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Getting him on screen with Russians isn't a big deal, and the gop will smear whomever the nominee is Anyway, back to this abortion of a thread. I suppose the GOP could frame Warren or Buttigieg as Russian stooges, but you wouldn't have much to back that claim up. However, with all of the video of Sanders praising central planning and despotic socialist dictators, it's going to be easy for the public to connect the dots. THIS is Sanders biggest weakness. If people can't see this then they are blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I suppose the GOP could frame Warren or Buttigieg as Russian stooges, but you wouldn't have much to back that claim up. GOP and low-information voters don't require much to back up a claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: I suppose the GOP could frame Warren or Buttigieg as Russian stooges, but you wouldn't have much to back that claim up. However, with all of the video of Sanders praising central planning and despotic socialist dictators, it's going to be easy for the public to connect the dots. THIS is Sanders biggest weakness. If people can't see this then they are blind. Every candidate has a weakness that will be used to smear then by the gop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, mclumber1 said: I suppose the GOP could frame Warren or Buttigieg as Russian stooges, but you wouldn't have much to back that claim up. However, with all of the video of Sanders praising central planning and despotic socialist dictators, it's going to be easy for the public to connect the dots. THIS is Sanders biggest weakness. If people can't see this then they are blind. None of that matters to anybody that feeds into that sort of propaganda. Fox and right wing publications will hammer these stories and other conspiracy theories into a bloody pulp. We just have to acknowledge that nobody ingesting news from there outlets isn't actually an undecided. These folks were always going to either vote Trump or not vote at all. There is zero reason to try to reach out to them. Trump is such a wildly extreme president, there's literally no reason for anyone being undecided on this year's election. Anyone that says otherwise is lying to themselves and everyone around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 I have to say that the Kremlin's ROI on their troll farm operations is truly impressive - they get a pretty good outcome of political instability/destabilization in the United States for the cost of practically nothing, just some kids in a basement in St. Petersburg. And all because Americans of all political persuaions are so incredibly fucking stupid to allow it to be impactful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Getting him on screen with Russians isn't a big deal, and the gop will smear whomever the nominee is Anyway, back to this abortion of a thread. 24 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I have to say that the Kremlin's ROI on their troll farm operations is truly impressive - they get a pretty good outcome of political instability/destabilization in the United States for the cost of practically nothing, just some kids in a basement in St. Petersburg. I love all the never-Bernie lefties on Twitter foaming at the mouth about "WHY DID BERNIE HIDE THIS CLASSIFIED INTELLIGENCE BRIEFING FROM US FOR A WHOLE MONTH?!?!?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 2 hours ago, mclumber1 said: I suppose the GOP could frame Warren or Buttigieg as Russian stooges, but you wouldn't have much to back that claim up. However, with all of the video of Sanders praising central planning and despotic socialist dictators, it's going to be easy for the public to connect the dots. THIS is Sanders biggest weakness. If people can't see this then they are blind. Then you tell the GOP "You had no problem with Russian backed Trump so you should have no problem with Russian backed Bernie" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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