skillzdadirecta Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I'm still trying to figure out how MotU is woke. As an outsider, the intolerance that has been embraced by the left in the US -- which is heavily associated with wokeness and cancel culture -- is definitely a negative thing. Whut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I'm still trying to figure out how MotU is woke. As an outsider, the intolerance that has been embraced by the left in the US -- which is heavily associated with wokeness and cancel culture -- is definitely a negative thing. Intolerance....of mistreating people? GODDAMN WOKE ASSHOLES RUINING EVERYTHING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Equality and holding people accountable for their words and actions is a negative thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 19 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I'm still trying to figure out how MotU is woke. As an outsider, the intolerance that has been embraced by the left in the US -- which is heavily associated with wokeness and cancel culture -- is definitely a negative thing. This is a bad take. Cancel culture isn’t even a real thing, and “wokeness” has been completely co-opted by shit heels who use it to tell on themselves. There’s a small, SMALL subset of strong leftists who are vocal on twitter and social media who treat aspects of their identity as fandom and behave shittily to people who do not conform with that, but that is not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 On 7/30/2021 at 1:17 PM, Kal-El814 said: This is a bad take. Cancel culture isn’t even a real thing, and “wokeness” has been completely co-opted by shit heels who use it to tell on themselves. There’s a small, SMALL subset of strong leftists who are vocal on twitter and social media who treat aspects of their identity as fandom and behave shittily to people who do not conform with that, but that is not the same thing. Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a real thing. The "woke" culture, at least what is being discussed in the media (both traditional and social), is largely dominated by those "strong leftists". We probably disagree on how large that group is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 35 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Cancel culture (or call-out culture) is a real thing. The "woke" culture, at least what is being discussed in the media (both traditional and social), is largely dominated by those "strong leftists". We probably disagree on how large that group is. Cancel culture is fake. If you’re going to say it’s just “callout culture” then yeah, sure, people get called out for everything all the time, but that’s not the same thing, and it’s absolutely not what right wing hacks mean when they decry cancel culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Cancel culture is fake. If you’re going to say it’s just “fallout culture” then yeah, sure, people get called out for everything all the time, but that’s not the same thing, and it’s absolutely not what right wing hacks mean when they decry cancel culture. "Call-out culture" are literally the fourth and fifth words in the wikipedia entry on cancel culture. Whether you agree with Tucker Carlson's portrayal of cancel culture (I generally disagree with most things he says), doesn't change the existence of ostracism, and the successful attempts to have actors/musicians/etc. removed from projects after having said controversial things is very real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 16 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: "Call-out culture" are literally the fourth and fifth words in the wikipedia entry on cancel culture. Whether you agree with Tucker Carlson's portrayal of cancel culture (I generally disagree with most things he says), doesn't change the existence of ostracism, and the successful attempts to have actors/musicians/etc. removed from projects after having said controversial things is very real. Consequence culture is not cancel culture, no matter what Tucker and right wing boobs insist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Consequence culture is not cancel culture, no matter what Tucker and right wing boobs insist. Calling it consequence culture rather than cancel culture doesn't nullify it's existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 32 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Calling it consequence culture rather than cancel culture doesn't nullify it's existence. As right wing hacks define it, it absolutely does. There’s nobody out there getting “canceled” for no reason, which is the entirety of the panic. “Anyone can get you for saying anything!” No, that doesn’t happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 Just now, Kal-El814 said: As right wing hacks define it, it absolutely does. There’s nobody out there getting “canceled” for no reason, which is the entirety of the panic. “Anyone can get you for saying anything!” No, that doesn’t happen. I have never heard anyone define it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I have never heard anyone define it that way. This is what the entire panic is about, that people, particularly white people, need to watch what they’re saying lest the woke mob cancel them. It’s nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 2, 2021 Share Posted August 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: This is what the entire panic is about, that people, particularly white people, need to watch what they’re saying lest the woke mob cancel them. It’s nonsense. That's not the concern I have heard expressed. “I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough. “Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I was, I called you out.’ “That’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change, If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That’s easy to do.” -- Former US President Barrak Obama A Letter on Justice and Open Debate Quote Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts. But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides. The free exchange of information and ideas, the lifeblood of a liberal society, is daily becoming more constricted. While we have come to expect this on the radical right, censoriousness is also spreading more widely in our culture: an intolerance of opposing views, a vogue for public shaming and ostracism, and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a blinding moral certainty. We uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter-speech from all quarters. But it is now all too common to hear calls for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought. More troubling still, institutional leaders, in a spirit of panicked damage control, are delivering hasty and disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. Editors are fired for running controversial pieces; books are withdrawn for alleged inauthenticity; journalists are barred from writing on certain topics; professors are investigated for quoting works of literature in class; a researcher is fired for circulating a peer-reviewed academic study; and the heads of organizations are ousted for what are sometimes just clumsy mistakes. Whatever the arguments around each particular incident, the result has been to steadily narrow the boundaries of what can be said without the threat of reprisal. We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists, and journalists who fear for their livelihoods if they depart from the consensus, or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement. This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. 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Greatoneshere Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 6 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: That's not the concern I have heard expressed. “I do get a sense sometimes now among certain young people, and this is accelerated by social media, there is this sense sometimes of: ‘The way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough. “Like, if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb, then I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself, cause, ‘Man, you see how woke I was, I called you out.’ “That’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change, If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That’s easy to do.” -- Former US President Barrak Obama A Letter on Justice and Open Debate Given that until now we weren't even casting stones, I'll take the change in the Overton window. This is just the first step, but at least we're getting somewhere. Acceptance of all the toxicity for centuries was worse, lest we forget. So, in that sense, Obama has no fucking idea what he's talking about, given he's a faux liberal maintain the status quo technocrat (and I like him, more or less). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 11 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: Given that until now we weren't even casting stones, I'll take the change in the Overton window. This is just the first step, but at least we're getting somewhere. Acceptance of all the toxicity for centuries was worse, lest we forget. So, in that sense, Obama has no fucking idea what he's talking about, given he's a faux liberal maintain the status quo technocrat (and I like him, more or less). Liberalism is the key to Western Democracies. While they are not perfect, they are the best the world has ever seen in terms of rights, equality, etc. Accepting toxicity is not what I was suggesting. Rejecting toxicity, and accepting those with different opinions to ourselves is key, IMO, to our continued progress as a society. [I'm using liberal in the internationally accepted use of the term, not the commonly used version in the US that seems to be born out of McCarthyism.] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Liberalism is the key to Western Democracies. While they are not perfect, they are the best the world has ever seen in terms of rights, equality, etc. Accepting toxicity is not what I was suggesting. Rejecting toxicity, and accepting those with different opinions to ourselves is key, IMO, to our continued progress as a society. [I'm using liberal in the internationally accepted use of the term, not the commonly used version in the US that seems to be born out of McCarthyism.] Right, and a lot of "cancel" culture or "woke" culture is merely calling out and rejecting a lot of the toxicity we just used to accept and say nothing about. We're bringing the standard of moral behavior up higher where it should be and in due course there's been some expected over-correcting but the general trend is a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: Right, and a lot of "cancel" culture or "woke" culture is merely calling out and rejecting a lot of the toxicity we just used to accept and say nothing about. We're bringing the standard of moral behavior up higher where it should be and in due course there's been some expected over-correcting but the general trend is a good one. It is doing significantly more than that -- it is also rejecting non-toxic speech, very often in a toxic way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It is doing significantly more than that -- it is also rejecting non-toxic speech, very often in a toxic way. No. This is the panic. Again I do not doubt this happens on a micro level to some extent, as I wrote before. But there is no swath of people getting “canceled” for non toxic speech, and basically nobody has been “canceled” for actual toxic speech. This just is not a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: No. This is the panic. Again I do not doubt this happens on a micro level to some extent, as I wrote before. But there is no swath of people getting “canceled” for non toxic speech, and basically nobody has been “canceled” for actual toxic speech. This just is not a thing. idk the right is banning books and things you can discuss in classrooms, trying to get teachers fired, had their president trying to suppress free speech in private sports leagues, and burned all their nike shoes. Seems like cancel culture is real! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It is doing significantly more than that -- it is also rejecting non-toxic speech, very often in a toxic way. Do you have an example to point to? I haven't really run into non-justified toxic attacks on non toxic-speech in any macro way. It happens between people arguing on the Internet but that's always been the case, nothing new there. This is just the panic about "cancel" culture as I understand it. 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: No. This is the panic. Again I do not doubt this happens on a micro level to some extent, as I wrote before. But there is no swath of people getting “canceled” for non toxic speech, and basically nobody has been “canceled” for actual toxic speech. This just is not a thing. This. And whatever toxicity the left "accidentally" creates, the right is actively trying to hurt and kill anyone who disagrees with them, so let's not lose the forest for the trees. The left owes nothing to humanity compared to what the right owes humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, stepee said: idk the right is banning books and things you can discuss in classrooms, trying to get teachers fired, had their president trying to suppress free speech in private sports leagues, and burned all their nike shoes. Seems like cancel culture is real! It's almost if the extreme right and extreme left share some of the same pseudo-facist tendencies. 39 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: The left owes nothing to humanity compared to what the right owes humanity. The Rise of Righteous Online Bullies | Opinion (newsweek.com) I can't speak to the veracity of her claims, but I will assume that Newsweek is a reputable media source that verifies its articles. The extreme right and the extreme left are both toxic in their own ways. Justifying toxic behaviour by pointing at other's toxic behaviours is lunacy. 39 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: The left owes nothing to humanity compared to what the right owes humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It's almost if the extreme right and extreme left share some of the same pseudo-facist tendencies. There is a huge difference between things actually happening and invented panic though. That’s the problem, there isn’t some extreme left that exists in any large capacity that is actually causing any issues here. I wish there was! But that does not exist in any noteworthy way beyond the panic itself, but it is used to justify the actual actions being done by the right. Like inventing the crt panic in order to actually (action being taken) put in laws against diversity, remove books from classrooms, and generally as an inroads towards only promoting the great white race. They say there is a problem so that they can put a “solution” into place, when that solution is often the problem they said existed. Its not whataboutism when you are just pointing out that the right actually does the things they make up about the imaginary radical left (aka 5 dudes on twitter). Also that is not the extreme right, that is the right. It is politically their constant platform, it’s not some fringe people that are a problem on the right, the entire cult of the right is the problem. The size difference of the issues we have with the right in America vs the extreme left is so vast that spending any time at all on the issues with the extreme left and cancel culture or whatever is like if you fell down and skinned your knee and then got shot in the head but you kept going on about how your knee hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Also newsweek is beyond sketchy lol, just google it, it’s weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, stepee said: Also newsweek is beyond sketchy lol, just google it, it’s weird. Hmmm.... I just remember reading the magazines sitting in the Doctor's/Dentist/etc. offices growing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Hmmm.... I just remember reading the magazines sitting in the Doctor's/Dentist/etc. offices growing up. It’s because they were sold like ten years ago so it’s a pretty recent thing it got batty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The Rise of Righteous Online Bullies | Opinion (newsweek.com) I can't speak to the veracity of her claims, but I will assume that Newsweek is a reputable media source that verifies its articles. The extreme right and the extreme left are both toxic in their own ways. Justifying toxic behaviour by pointing at other's toxic behaviours is lunacy. Unfortunately Newsweek is pretty sketchy and they lean pretty biased in their reporting. But it's something. And I'm not justifying anyone's toxic behavior, I'm just not sure what "cancel" culture doing is toxic. I think calling bad things out make sense, even if they seem not so bad to other people. And I'd be careful "both side'ing" this issue, the alt-right has been far more harmful in their policies and beliefs than the left, so to focus on culture war stuff like cancel culture compared to their policies on Covid and climate change and race and women seems short sighted. That's what I mean - this is a sliding scale and the right is so bad, on so many issues, to a harmful and detrimental societal effect that focusing on the left is baffling to me by comparison (even if there is something there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 The sooner so-called "Western liberal democracy" is cast upon the ash heap of history, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 Louis CK just announced tour dates. Cancel culture is real? OLOLOOOLO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: Louis CK just announced tour dates. Cancel culture is real? OLOLOOOLO Right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted August 4, 2021 Share Posted August 4, 2021 So how bought that Battle Cat!!! Think we see Panthor in part 2???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 4, 2021 Author Share Posted August 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: So how bought that Battle Cat!!! Think we see Panthor in part 2???? I see no reason why not? If anything, we might see an enhanced version of Panthor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 8/2/2021 at 11:27 AM, AbsolutSurgen said: "Call-out culture" are literally the fourth and fifth words in the wikipedia entry on cancel culture. Whether you agree with Tucker Carlson's portrayal of cancel culture (I generally disagree with most things he says), doesn't change the existence of ostracism, and the successful attempts to have actors/musicians/etc. removed from projects after having said controversial things is very real. man, I remember reading about how those devious cancel culture leftist went after Jane Fonda in 1972. Damn liberals. and before that they went after Dalton Trumbo and others writers in Hollywood and had them all Black listed in 1947 until 1960. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I see no reason why not? If anything, we might see an enhanced version of Panthor. That’s a good point. Panthor was already like Battle Cat in his default form. He/she should be suped up like Skeletor now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 Finally watched this. Nothing seemed woke to me. Also, it kinda was the definition of mediocre. It didn't really scratch the nostalgia itch. The original cartoon was a "toy cartoon" -- very formulaic, characters were based on toys (as opposed to the opposite) and was targeted at young children. This show had VERY mediocre writing, seemed to want to stamp on nostalgia and was way too violent for young children.... I admit I only watched a few seasons of He-Man: MotU, but I felt like I was totally left behind by this series. And my kids did too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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