Uaarkson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Jesus. I had no idea things were that bad in Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 So, on the one hand, the world's shrinking population is great for the world (and human species) long-term. However, in the short-to-medium term we can only hope that the massive disruption caused by some countries shrinking (like Russia, China, etc) and others expanding (specifically USA and Canada, who tend to welcome immigrants) will be contained to local strife, and not spill over into regional/world wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 40 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So, on the one hand, the world's shrinking population is great for the world (and human species) long-term. Malthus, pls go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, CayceG said: Malthus, pls go. I didn't say shrinking to zero*. But a stable population of say, 500 million people, is far preferable to a population 20 billion. *although I do believe a universe without consciousness is preferable to one with it, simply because the creation of consciousness/experience leads to pain, with no ability to opt out before experiencing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Malthusian ideals are not based in fact. They are based in discriminate class warfare. I don't want to go deep into this, but just consider what needs to happen to those other 19.5 billion people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 We won't get to 20 billion people it's a moot point. Just about half of that is where we'd end up at max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, CayceG said: Malthusian ideals are not based in fact. They are based in discriminate class warfare. I don't want to go deep into this, but just consider what needs to happen to those other 19.5 billion people. To be clear, I am not talking about letting people die, I am talking about them not being born in the first place. I believe the goal of all life should be the improvement of the living experience. 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: We won't get to 20 billion people it's a moot point. Just about half of that is where we'd end up at max For sure, I was just using a high number to illustrate the point. Barring any world crises, the world's population will likely peak between 11-13 billion in the mid-late 21st-Century, and will then rapidly decline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Nearly every issue of resource scarcity is really just a resource hoarding problem by the haves against the have nots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Nearly every issue of resource scarcity is really just a resource hoarding problem by the haves against the have nots. Ding ding ding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Uaarkson said: Jesus. I had no idea things were that bad in Russia. Things are ALWAYS that bad in Russia. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 hours ago, sblfilms said: Nearly every issue of resource scarcity is really just a resource hoarding problem by the haves against the have nots. If only that were so. That's the case if you view the supply side as fixed -- which it often is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: If only that were so. That's the case if you view the supply side as fixed -- which it often is not. Do you have an example of a resource we need that is in short supply for reasons not related to the private control of that resource? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Do you have an example of a resource we need that is in short supply for reasons not related to the private control of that resource? Fresh water. We have far more than we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 Food is not a finite resource. Production levels are highly influenced by the ability to use modern farming techniques, and the price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Fresh water. We have far more than we need. The issue is distributing it though. ...assuming we're talking about fresh water stocks in the ground/lakes. If we use direct potable reuse (toilet-to-tap treatment systems) where wastewater is treated then re-treated as drinking water, then the distribution issue really decreases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Fresh water. We have far more than we need. I don't understand your point here. If we have far more than we need, how is that an example of a resource that is "in short supply for reasons not related to the private control of that resource"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I don't understand your point here. If we have far more than we need, how is that an example of a resource that is "in short supply for reasons not related to the private control of that resource"? There are lots of fresh water resources that are not in private control. They just happen to not be near the place that where they are in short supply. 4 minutes ago, CayceG said: The issue is distributing it though. ...assuming we're talking about fresh water stocks in the ground/lakes. If we use direct potable reuse (toilet-to-tap treatment systems) where wastewater is treated then re-treated as drinking water, then the distribution issue really decreases. Yes. Scarcity is complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Good thing climate change isn't going to make fresh water more scarce and cause declining yields in some of the most productive land on earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, AbsolutSurgen said: There are lots of fresh water resources that are not in private control. They just happen to not be near the place that where they are in short supply. Yes. Scarcity is complex. This is some demut level pedantic shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted October 13, 2021 Author Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: This is some demut level pedantic shit I am not sure you are even speaking English at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: There are lots of fresh water resources that are not in private control. They just happen to not be near the place that where they are in short supply. Yes. Scarcity is complex. Choosing to create cities in places where resource importation is needed has legitimately nothing to do with the ability of the species to maintain or even grow in size. It just means the places where growth will occur in the future will be the more resource dense places. Which brings us back to the original issue, which is hoarding of resources by the haves over the have nots. This includes nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I am not sure you are even speaking English at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Just give me that delightful combined flu/COVID mRNA vaccine annually! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Just give me that delightful combined flu/COVID mRNA vaccine annually! I'm appalled by the number of people forgoing flu shots this year after clamoring for them last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Just give me that delightful combined flu/COVID mRNA vaccine annually! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 The Washington Post: GOP lawmaker, banned from flying Alaska Airlines over mask mandate, tests positive for covid-19.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/14/alaska-lora-reinbold-covid-gop/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, TyphoidHater said: I'm appalled by the number of people forgoing flu shots this year after clamoring for them last year. I got mine in July. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Jason said: What exactly is "Full blown HIV?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The Washington Post: GOP lawmaker, banned from flying Alaska Airlines over mask mandate, tests positive for covid-19.https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/14/alaska-lora-reinbold-covid-gop/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What exactly is "Full blown HIV?" Exactly, everyone knows it's AIDS that full blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyphoidHater Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: I got mine in July. I'm sure the rate on this board FAR outstrips the national average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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