CayceG Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 And now it's fixed. I'm betting that the CDC's guidance isn't what caused the spikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 27, 2021 Author Share Posted July 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Yeah, for sure. There is certainly a possibility that some small number of people in the US had it in Dec/Jan. But it's unlikely, and it's certainly not the large number of people who claim to have had it. Heck, even in March right when the pandemic was first really revving up in North America, I had the worst flu of my life and got tested twice, but was negative. The winter of 2019/20 was a very bad flu season, and most people just think they had COVID-19. The evidence points to Covid existing in the US as early as December 2019. It was a small amount, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, CayceG said: Are people really upset or surprised at the CDC reversing guidelines here? Only @sblfilms is. He said it was safe to hug and kiss each other with our masks off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: The evidence points to Covid existing in the US as early as December 2019. It was a small amount, though. Yeah I do think it was there...but also that the vast majority of people who think they had it within that time period are incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 40 minutes ago, CayceG said: And now it's fixed. I'm betting that the CDC's guidance isn't what caused the spikes. First, it's not really fixed. Second, in what feels like it was a bid to salvage credibility by not pushing guidance conservatives were ignoring, all they've done is blow their credibility with people who actually want to follow public health guidance by first jumping the gun and now not fully walking it back. Conservatives were never going to listen to the CDC on masks no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 They didn’t reverse policy, the guidance is different and based on local conditions. Previous guidance was always wear a mask indoors no matter what. And both were appropriate given the situation at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: They didn’t reverse policy, the guidance is different and based on local conditions. Previous guidance was always wear a mask indoors no matter what. And both were approximate given the situation at the time. The CNBC headline is "CDC policy". The justification for dropping mask mandates in May was "new CDC rules". Insist it's just guidance all you want, most people are treating them as actual rules and the CDC as a public health agency needs to adapt to the reality of how their messaging is being received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Jason said: The CNBC headline is "CDC policy". The justification for dropping mask mandates in May was "new CDC rules". Insist it's just guidance all you want, most people are treating them as actual rules and the CDC as a public health agency needs to adapt to the reality of how their messaging is being received. It’s the definition of guidance, which is what the CDC can and should offer. I don’t know why you care, you ignore the guidance that doesn’t fit your own notions so why expect others to follow anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Two doses of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination induce more robust immune responses to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern than does natural infection. WWW.RESEARCHSQUARE.COM Both natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 and immunization with vaccines induce protective immunity. However, the extent to which such immune responses protect against emerging variants is of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, sblfilms said: It’s the definition of guidance, which is what the CDC can and should offer. I don’t know why you care, you ignore the guidance that doesn’t fit your own notions so why expect others to follow anyway? The CDC’s new mask rules leave kids out. Here’s how to fix that. | Opinion WWW.INQUIRER.COM It’s time to stop asking kids to make sacrifices to protect older people. New York State Adopts CDC's New Face Mask Rules WSKG.ORG The governor says it’s still OK to continue to wear a mask, if you feel more comfortable doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Two doses of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination induce more robust immune responses to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern than does natural infection. WWW.RESEARCHSQUARE.COM Both natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 and immunization with vaccines induce protective immunity. However, the extent to which such immune responses protect against... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Two doses of SARS-CoV-2 vaccination induce more robust immune responses to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern than does natural infection. WWW.RESEARCHSQUARE.COM Both natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 and immunization with vaccines induce protective immunity. However, the extent to which such immune responses protect against emerging variants is of... I HAVE THE POWER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Joe said: That's where I found it lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jason said: The CDC’s new mask rules leave kids out. Here’s how to fix that. | Opinion WWW.INQUIRER.COM It’s time to stop asking kids to make sacrifices to protect older people. New York State Adopts CDC's New Face Mask Rules WSKG.ORG The governor says it’s still OK to continue to wear a mask, if you feel more comfortable doing so. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html They literally call it guidance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: That's where I found it lol I should probably be following her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe said: I should probably be following her. You should! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Jason’s wording is a little off, but I think what he is saying is that many states base their policies and rules based off CDC guidance, so the end result is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 I want a 3rd and 4th shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: I want a 3rd and 4th shot Well if you’re in Quebec, you can get a 3rd dose at your own discretion. Being done mainly for those who had both a mRNA and the AZ shot, and would like like the full mRNA coverage. Plus many are running into issues for cruise ships because they don’t recognize on most ship/docking island ports the mixed vaccine protection as full coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: I want a 3rd and 4th shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 55 minutes ago, sblfilms said: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html They literally call it guidance Okay? As I showed, the news media was reporting it as rules so that's what the public thinks they are. Even the government compliance people at work were calling it the new CDC rules. Public health is largely about messaging and they're consistently failing to control the message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 48 minutes ago, Joe said: Jason’s wording is a little off, but I think what he is saying is that many states base their policies and rules based off CDC guidance, so the end result is the same. It's both. Many states base their rules off whatever the current CDC guidance is, but a lot of the public thinks the CDC makes rules and not guidance. The news media reports it as rules and I'm pretty sure some governors were calling them rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 46 minutes ago, Jason said: Okay? As I showed, the news media was reporting it as rules so that's what the public thinks they are. Even the government compliance people at work were calling it the new CDC rules. Public health is largely about messaging and they're consistently failing to control the message. Because you’re pretending like me calling it guidance is some ruse. It’s explicitly what they call it. The media being bad at their job isn’t something I’m going to disagree on. The CDC being bad at messaging is something I’ve been pointing out for over a year. That doesn’t change what the CDC’s actual role is, which is advisory. They don’t and can’t do what you would apparently like them to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: Because you’re pretending like me calling it guidance is some ruse. You're not reading what I wrote if you think that's what I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 BC has released their stats for currently hospitalized people: Basically, the vaccines are doing a great job at protecting all but the most vulnerable (and even then, it's still a huge reduction in severity). No one below 60 who has been fully vaccinated has ended up in hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 Biden says vaccine mandate for all federal employees is under consideration following VA order WWW.CNBC.COM President Joe Biden said his administration is weighing whether to require federal employees to be vaccinated for the coronavirus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 lol this popped up again from Jan: Damn our vast territory. Oh wait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokra Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 6 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I'd get vaccinated for @b_m_b_m_b_m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: lol this popped up again from Jan: Damn our vast territory. Oh wait. Isn’t half the country in the Golden Horseshoe alone? Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Nokra said: I'd get vaccinated for @b_m_b_m_b_m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 I just heard that Safeway stores will be mandating masks again. I would think that this will be the entire of the Albertson's grocery holdings not just Safeway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 As L.A. ponders vaccine mandates, infections in the LAPD spike sharply WWW.LATIMES.COM Chief Michel Moore told the Police Commission that the LAPD had 33 personnel test positive for the coronavirus in the last week, a sharp uptick over recent weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Actual city councilmember for Santa Monica during the city council meeting going on right now: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 Is that a jock strap? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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