CitizenVectron Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Manitoba chief justice says he was followed by private investigator to catch him breaking COVID-19 rules | CBC News WWW.CBC.CA Manitoba's chief justice says he was followed by a private investigator in an attempt to catch him breaking COVID-19 rules in order to embarrass him while he is presiding over a court challenge related to the province's lockdown measures. Pretty wild stuff. He is presiding over a case challenging COVID-19 restrictions (started by seven churches). The lawyer representing the churches had the Chief Justice followed, including sending a young boy to the judge's door to see if he was home and confirm his residence. The goal was apparently to catch him breaking any rule at any point to discredit him and the rules. A dumb plan, obviously (after all, a judge can still rule on traffic tickets if they themselves have received a ticket before), but these types of whackos aren't known for their sound logic. Quote Joyal said this revelation will not influence his decision in the case, but said it would be "unthinkable" to not share it with the court because of its potential implications in the administration of justice. Quote After a break in the hearing, John Carpay, a lawyer representing the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, said it was his organization who had retained the private investigator to follow Joyal as part of their efforts to hold government officials accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: A $100 in your hand immediately probably moves the needle more than maybe a ton of money or probably nothing. Yup, especially if the issue is fear of missing a day of work because of the side effects. At the federal minimum wage $100 is basically paying for 13.33 hours of sick time to deal with the side effects, and more like 16 hours since it's $100 tax free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 6 fully vaccinated wedding guests got COVID, fared better with Pfizer APPLE.NEWS Six fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding in Texas came down with COVID-19. All the breakthrough infections were in guests over 50. There were two serious cases, including one... Well this is quite the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Vaccines are against nature in the same way that any fucking medical treatment is against nature. Growing food is against nature. Brushing your teeth is against nature. Except, of course, none of that is against nature since we are all a part of nature, and everything we do is a part of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 This whole situation is going to lead to not just Covid being dragged out longer, but also could lead to a resurgence in other diseases like measles. If these idiots were in charge 50+ years ago, we'd still be dealing with smallpox right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I got my second vaccination shot today and fully 5G upgraded. Waiting for my reprogramming to commence! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 I went to the gym without a mask today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 6 hours ago, Joe said: 6 fully vaccinated wedding guests got COVID, fared better with Pfizer APPLE.NEWS Six fully vaccinated people who attended an outdoor wedding in Texas came down with COVID-19. All the breakthrough infections were in guests over 50. There were two serious cases, including one... Well this is quite the story. "But it's outside, you don't need any other precautions!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 I guess we willm have lots of data sources to evaluate our risk of re-opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I guess we willm have lots of data sources to evaluate our risk of re-opening. I wonder if that chart speaks to the effectiveness of Pfizer/Moderna vs Astra Zeneca as far as the Delta variant goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, finaljedi said: I wonder if that chart speaks to the effectiveness of Pfizer/Moderna vs Astra Zeneca as far as the Delta variant goes. I believe a lot of the infections are in unvaccinated people in areas that have significantly removed restrictions. I think much of it also has to do with vacation culture during July/August in Europe -- with the Iberian peninsula being a popular destination. I haven't seen any robust data that demonstrates the comparisons between the vaccines -- but it could be a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Jason said: "But it's outside, you don't need any other precautions!" That’s right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: It's no secret that my province (Saskatchewan) is one of the worst in Canada. Here are a few facts about how we've fucked up our vaccination process (and how it relates to that tweet): Halfway through vaccination process, moved from well-run public mass-vax clinics to separate, private pharmacy system (with no central booking system) No incentives for vaccination like neighbouring provinces: No lottery (like Alberta or Manitoba) No requirement to be vaccinated for certain events, or any encouragement by government for this (like requirement for Calgary Stampede, or Winnipeg Blue Bombers games) Refusal to provide legal proof of vaccination through app or other means (Manitoba has vaccine app with QR code to prove status), making it impossible for private businesses to find proof It's been very frustrating, because...no surprise, we have the lowest vaccination rate in Canada, and the highest hesitancy! Yes, we're still well-above the US, but we're well below places like BC or Quebec. SK is a bumfuck province with bumfuck people, and I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Pfizer pushes for US booster shots as WHO says greed is driving vaccine disparities | Coronavirus | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Pharmaceutical company seeks FDA approval for third dose but companies urged to instead prioritise less wealthy countries No doink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Tennessee fires official Michelle Fiscus because of coronavirus vaccination guidance - The Washington Post WWW.WASHINGTONPOST.COM Michelle Fiscus, who led the Tennessee Department of Health's immunization program. says state GOP lawmakers were frustrated that she had advocated for letting teens decide whether to be vaccinated. Tennessee has a law that allows teens to get vaccinated, even without parental consent Official passed this info along to teens to try and get more vaccinated She was fired for it Choice quote from Republican Hog Person: Quote State Rep. Scott Cepicky (R) criticized the health department for “targeting” the “impressionable youth” with advertising that promotes vaccination for teenagers, which he deemed “reprehensible.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 Mixing vaccines without evidence a ‘dangerous’ trend, WHO’s Soumya Swaminathan says Quote We receive a lot of queries from people who say they’ve taken one and they’re planning to take another one so it’s a little bit of a dangerous trend here where people are in a data-free, evidence-free zone as far as mix-and-match… there’s limited data on mix-and-match,” Swaminathan said. So far, emerging studies have shown that administering the Pfizer mRNA vaccine after AstraZeneca (known as Covishield in India) is safe, and may even lead to a better immune response. But faced with a shortage of vaccines, some countries are also considering mixing other vaccines. For instance, Thailand has now changed its vaccine policy — deciding to mix China’s Sinovac with the AstraZeneca vaccine, instead of administering two doses of Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine. “There are studies going on; we need to wait for that and maybe it will be a very good approach but at the moment we only have data on the Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine followed by Pfizer,” Swaminathan said. “So it will be a chaotic situation in countries if citizens start deciding when and who should be taking a second, third or fourth dose,” she added. Responding to a question about the need for booster doses, Swaminathan said that if 11 high- and upper-middle-income countries decide to start administering a booster for their populations, they will require an additional 800 million doses of vaccine. However, there is currently a need to prioritise doses for countries where the frontline and healthcare workers, as well as the elderly and the vulnerable have not yet been vaccinated. “At this point when there is no scientific evidence to suggest that boosters are definitely needed, we have seen in some countries an increase in infections but no significant increase in hospitalisation or deaths and it may well be that you need boosters after a year or two years,” Swaminathan said. “It has to be based on the science and the data, not on individual companies declaring that their vaccines should now be administered as a booster dose,” she added. I have AZ followed by Moderna. I know lots of people in Canada are getting Pfizer followed by Moderna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I mean, there have been studies in the UK on this, and it was found to be safe and effective (and possibly even more effective than using the same brand twice). Especially with Pfizer and Moderna, the method of providing immunity is near-identical. In the case of AZ+mRNA, it's like getting two, totally different methods of detection/protection. In any case, the strategy appears to have worked in the UK, as well as in Canada. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Iraq hospital fire: Protests as Covid ward blaze kills at least 92 WWW.BBC.COM Angry relatives of the victims protest outside the devastated Covid isolation ward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I mean, there have been studies in the UK on this, and it was found to be safe and effective (and possibly even more effective than using the same brand twice). Especially with Pfizer and Moderna, the method of providing immunity is near-identical. In the case of AZ+mRNA, it's like getting two, totally different methods of detection/protection. In any case, the strategy appears to have worked in the UK, as well as in Canada. 🤞 It is important to remember that studies aren’t evidence, studies compile and explain evidence. There is lots of evidence, and the body evidence is rapidly growing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 28 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I mean, there have been studies in the UK on this, and it was found to be safe and effective (and possibly even more effective than using the same brand twice). Especially with Pfizer and Moderna, the method of providing immunity is near-identical. In the case of AZ+mRNA, it's like getting two, totally different methods of detection/protection. In any case, the strategy appears to have worked in the UK, as well as in Canada. 🤞 There have not. Studies have looked at the after-effects of using AZ followed by Pfizer in the UK - not a clinical trial. Which she specifically points out that this evidence exists to support that combination. Pfizer and Moderna are the same type of vaccine -- not the same vaccine. Typically changing doses/dosing schedules needs to go through a clinical trial (even for emergency authorization) -- not just for safety, but more importantly to ensure we don't lose efficacy. We may be altering efficacy or durability of these vaccines by not having the second dose following the timing/type in the clinical trial. We just don't know -- which is her point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 That is fair. However, I think the preponderance of evidence is that giving two shots of different vaccines is safe (in that both are safe on their own, and there is no method of interaction), and is better than only getting one shot of one kind (or waiting months more to match up the type, during which time the virus continues to spread). More data and studies are a good thing, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 Trudeau says he'll leave domestic vaccine passports up to the provinces Of course he will, it would be a shame to show any leadership just before an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Trudeau says he'll leave domestic vaccine passports up to the provinces Of course he will, it would be a shame to show any leadership just before an election. At least we're getting a national vaccine passport, but it would be nice to have a domestic one as well. Hmm... couldn't places in Canada simply recognize the federal one? Especially in provinces like AB and SK where the governments refuse to create them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 demonstrably pro virus party 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Fuck people are monsters just to “look right” with the rest of the swamp creatures of the party. Far as I’m concerned, I would love to see them charged with endangering a life. Somehow after all the shit really starts hitting the fan. . . . .FUCK! I know we have wackos here in Canada like that, but their is no way we could ever come close to out stupidity a Republican American with Governmental Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Booooooooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Booooooooo It is so bad I won’t knock you for the repost from literally two posts above you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Polio wiping out Tennessee will be a good first step to normalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, sblfilms said: It is so bad I won’t knock you for the repost from literally two posts above you I can’t be bothered to read links, you think I read threads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Yes but it was MY post I'm hurt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 I'm so fucking frustrated. We have seen record number of cases in Korea and are going back to lockdown. The government royally fucked up getting vaccines. It's impossible to get a jab. Last year the president balked at the price of vaccines and gambled that a Korean company would be able to develop their own vaccine. That never happened, so vaccines are just trickling in. My in-laws (in their 60s) have had their first jab and should get their second soon, but no idea when my wife and I can get mine. In the meantime, I'm back to doing all my classes online. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brick Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 8 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: demonstrably pro virus party The Party of Polio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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