Jason Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jose said: Guys, just because Trump touts it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. #MierdasTouch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Lol a lot of hospitals right now have a combination of it plus Z-paks as their only option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jose said: Guys, just because Trump touts it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. The problem is he's been promoting it as some miracle cure, and the actual data says it's...not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The problem is he's been promoting it as some miracle cure, and the actual data says it's...not. It's by far the least effective of the available treatments but it's also the most widely available treatment. People wanting to dunk so badly on him do not realize how widely it is being used right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It probably has a lower success rate than placebo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: Useless article. Yeah, not a study, just data from VA hospitals. It doesn't disprove that the drug could be effective, but I think it does show that it is not a miracle drug like some are claiming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Jose said: It's by far the least effective of the available treatments but it's also the most widely available treatment. People wanting to dunk so badly on him do not realize how widely it is being used right now. I posted the tweet because it shows it is not a miracle drug like some Trumpites are claiming. That's not to say it won't have an affect on some being treated. However, is there are reputable data showing that it is effective at all for COVID-19? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I posted the tweet because it shows it is not a miracle drug like some Trumpites are claiming. That's not to say it won't have an affect on some being treated. However, is there are reputable data showing that it is effective at all for COVID-19? Nothing conclusive at all, but doctors are reporting some success. It's a stopgap, nothing more. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/coronavirus/2020/04/07/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-nj-doctors-use-malaria-drug/2951640001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 The two hour hate is beginning now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The problem is he's been promoting it as some miracle cure, and the actual data says it's...not. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 minute ago, sblfilms said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. Unfortunately you can attribute any dozen malicious reasons for Trump to do something, and one of them is bound to be right. I would say his best reason for doing anything would simply be to increase his popularity, which could make him do something good by accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, sblfilms said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. Hey $1000 is a lot for somebody that cashes 13 cent checks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. His position should be shut the fuck up, get the fuck out of the way, and let the actual medical doctor's do their job. Anything else he shouldn't be doing. But he has the best brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Just now, b_m_b_m_b_m said: His position should be shut the fuck up, get the fuck out of the way, and let the actual medical doctor's do their job. Anything else he's touting should be irrelevant This is where you say “yeah, I was wrong about that” and move on (And it is doctors who are prescribing these medications) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Could also be to pressure Gilead to make remdesivir more widely available. Trump does so any things wrong that I can't fathom why people waste time hitting him on irrelevant shit. It weakens your position with independent voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 According to an amazing NYT article he didn't say it but according to his own mouth in press briefings he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, sblfilms said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. I never put much stock (pun not intended) into the Sanofi issue, because the odds that he knew he owns Sanofi - let alone that they make the drug - are shockingly low, even if he has a team of portfolio managers at his disposal (because portfolio managers are dumb). The issue is that hydroxycholorquine was *clearly* a pretense conservatives were using to resist shutdown measures and control the public narrative (look at how hopeful this is, thank you Dear Leader!) The fact it became such a significant talking point on the basis of such thin evidence proves as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 7 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: There's our biggest moron, Dannie Scott Goeb, chiming in again! He makes me sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, sblfilms said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/05/us/politics/trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus.html Even in the infamous “what do you have to lose?” briefing he wasn’t saying it was a miracle cure. His position seems to me to always have been “some doctors have said this helped their patients so try it until something better comes along”. Its interesting to me that people have now shifted away from the idea that he was shilling for it because he had Sanofi stock once it was revealed that his holdings amounted at most like $1000. The biggest game changer in the history of medicine sounds like a miracle cure to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, sblfilms said: This is where you say “yeah, I was wrong about that” and move on (And it is doctors who are prescribing these medications) Doctors prescribing, sure that's fine, but that's not what he was saying, and he shouldn't be up there like the half rate used hot tub salesman with his pitch for his hot new game changer (thanks @Keyser_Soze) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jose said: Trump does so any things wrong that I can't fathom why people waste time hitting him on irrelevant shit. It weakens your position with independent voters. This is always my thought when people latch on to the oddest imagined issue with a guy that has an endless stream of legitimately terrible actions. 8 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: The biggest game changer in the history of medicine sounds like a miracle cure to me “chance to be” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amazatron Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jason said: You could pretty much substitute any decision/policy/rant he makes with "this is all for Trump's base (or himself)." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 GOP pulling out the classic debt concernsa. Can'twait until they say slashing social services is the only way to save America! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: GOP pulling out the classic debt concernsa. Can'twait until they say slashing social services is the only way to save America! wonder if biden et al will fall for this bullshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Trump doesn't have the legal power to reopen states, you say? That won't stop him from trying. Attorney General William Barr said the Justice Department would support legal action against states that continue to impose strict social distancing rules even after coronavirus cases begin to subside in their respective states. Quote In a Tuesday interview with radio host Hugh Hewitt, Barr called some current stay-at-home orders "burdens on civil liberties" and said that if they continued and lawsuits were brought, his department would side against the state. "The idea that you have to stay in your house is disturbingly close to house arrest. I'm not saying it wasn't justified. I'm not saying in some places it might still be justified. But it's very onerous, as is shutting down your livelihood," Barr said. Quote Barr was asked what he would do with any governors who are "indifferent" to easing restrictions in their states. "We're looking carefully at a number of these rules that are being put into place," Barr said. "And if we think one goes too far, we initially try to jawbone the governors into rolling them back or adjusting them. And if they're not and people bring lawsuits, we file statement of interest and side with the plaintiffs." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Trump doesn't have the legal power to reopen states, you say? That won't stop him from trying. Attorney General William Barr said the Justice Department would support legal action against states that continue to impose strict social distancing rules even after coronavirus cases begin to subside in their respective states. OH LOOK THE THING I SAID THAT TRUMP WOULD TRY TO DO, HE'S TRYING TO DO! Good Lord, please shoot me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 It’s literally an article about how they can’t do anything so they will just join in lawsuits filed by people who can. Because there is no mechanism for Trump to make states open up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, sblfilms said: It’s literally an article about how they can’t do anything so they will just join in lawsuits filed by people who can. Because there is no mechanism for Trump to make states open up. Until the Congressional GOP gets behind him on it and insists on making federal money conditional on opening up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Jose said: Lol a lot of hospitals right now have a combination of it plus Z-paks as their only option. Word around some of the Mass. hospitals is that they're not using it for COVID anymore based on cardiac toxicity and the death rates being higher than no treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Jose said: Lol a lot of hospitals right now have a combination of it plus Z-paks as their only option. And The National Institute of Health Recommends that this treatment SHOULDN'T be used Quote A panel of doctors and experts convened by the National Institutes of Health advised against combining two drugs that have been floated as possible cures for COVID-19, warning of potentially harmful effects. The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel advised against combining hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial drug, and azithromycin, an antibiotic also known as 'Z-Pak,' outside of clinical trials. The panel said there is not enough clinical data to recommend either for or against the use of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19. If hydroxychloroquine is used, clinicians should monitor patients for adverse effects, the panel said, especially heart problems. The French are against using it too Quote On Saturday the Food and Drug Administration approved the use of two antimalarial drugs, hydroxychloroquine and a related medication, chloroquine, for emergency use to treat COVID-19. The drugs were touted by President Trump as a “game changer” for COVID-19. However, a study just published in a French medical journal provides new evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not appear to help the immune system clear the coronavirus from the body. The study comes on the heels of two others - one in France and one in China - that reported some benefits in the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for COVID-19 patients who didn’t have severe symptoms of the virus. When Trump was asked about the most recent studies tonight, he dodged the question Quote President Trump was grilled Tuesday about his flogging of an anti-malaria drug as a coronavirus treatment after a government-funded study showed it didn’t help veterans and was associated with more deaths. He dodged. “I don’t know of the report,” he said at the daily briefing by the coronavirus task force. “Obviously there have been some very good reports and perhaps this one’s not a good report—but we’ll be looking at it.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Don't forget to wash your hands for at least 20 seconds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Is that Ohioguy's recipe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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