Joe Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The Red Sox can't afford to keep one of the best players in baseball now? Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 20 hours ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28600880/sources-red-sox-talk-mookie-betts-trade-dodgers Betts to Dodgers @rc0101 I’ll believe it when it’s official. I remember when we were getting Stanton and Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Honestly I don't even want Betts unless the prospect cost is cheap, and we ship out Pollack for Price or something. He's only a rental. Just call up Colorado and offer up the farm for Arenado if you're finally going to make a big trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Jose said: The Red Sox can't afford to keep one of the best players in baseball now? Pathetic. Reportedly, he turned down 10/300 from Boston. He won’t sign a contract before free agency. I can’t imagine Red Sox get much for him since he is a 1 year rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Baseball prospectus had a good article that gives what might be the best explanation of the affect of the Astros sign stealing. The tweets above capture the main idea pretty well. I’ve wondered about some of this for a while and it was neat to see some good data to back up my hunches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Rob Arthur linked to this thread of analysis from the same data and came out to a similar conclusion. Sign stealing gives a slight bump to production when accurate but a hugely negative outcome when inaccurate, leaving the overall effect close to zero. This also makes sense of the Astros apparently abandoning their scheme mid season in 2018, as noted in the MLB report, it was eventually decided to be ineffective. All that cheating for nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Jose said: The Red Sox can't afford to keep one of the best players in baseball now? Pathetic. He's repeatedly made clear he's determined to enter free agency and get top dollar. With recent contracts, who knows what that'll be. He's already turned down $300 million from Boston. It's less about affording him and more about his prospects for staying with the team long term are slim. It sucks, but what else can they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Was the best offer $300 million? Seems low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 If you’ve followed the saga at all, he’s made it extremely clear he never had any intention of signing an extension and has always been determined to test the market in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 This doesn't seem to suggest that he never had any intention of re-signing. They are just lowballing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Yes, that's one take. But I've also been following the story for years. He's been quite insistent that he wants to test FA. $420 million is also absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 It's closer to his value than $300 million, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I remember being amazing when A-rod shattered the record with his first $250 million contract. Then he broke his own record a few years later. Now we've got $300 and $400 million becoming a regular thing. Meh. I'm never going to be on board with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 It's awesome! More money in the pockets of the players and less in the owners is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 We can agree to disagree. Very few teams can afford to pay him or any player $400 million +. Especially if Boston is trying to get below the tax threshold. As much as I hate to see him leave, trading him makes sense. I get guys wanting to go for top dollar, but I respect guys like Bogaerts who stay loyal to their team and take a "discount" to stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jose said: It's awesome! More money in the pockets of the players and less in the owners is great. Exactly. I’m for whatever ends up with the billionaires pocketing less of the profit Especially when you see the way the owner’s manipulate stuff like service time rules to stop players from getting paid. See Kris Bryant getting boned on feee agency by intentionally being held out from call ups at the beginning of the season so he missed his service time number by two days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 It's hard for me to have sympathy for anyone making hundreds of millions of dollars in a few short years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Yeah owners are dirty and the less money they have, the better. Look at what Dolan is doing with Lindor. Probably the greatest Indian of my lifetime and they will let him sign a huge deal elsewhere. So pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Why is all this being discussed in the cheating thread, though, and not the general baseball thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: It's hard for me to have sympathy for anyone making hundreds of millions of dollars in a few short years. It’s not just the top guys who are affected though. In pro sports, salary caps (hard a and soft alike) depress the value of labor. The cap/tax busting contracts are what cause the caps/tax thresholds to go up, which moves the low end up as well. 2 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Why is all this being discussed in the cheating thread, though, and not the general baseball thread? I was about to ask the same thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 There's like 6 of us who care about baseball on this board lol. Does it really matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Not really, but there is an actual thread for general baseball discussion and I kind of get tired of seeing the sign stealing scandal headlining the top of the page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I was kind of confused as to how it happened, but someone randomnly linked to the Dodgers/Betts rumors in the last page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I had a choice between putting it in The Mariners or The Astros cheaters thread. Seemed like an easy decision. #FuckAstros I like Mookie but 12/420 seems a bit much. As a Yankee fan, he doesn’t instill any fear when he is up to bat unlike other past Red Sox greats like Ortiz and Ramirez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Astros hired James Click as GM. The Rays have been one of the closest teams to the Luhnow led Astros in terms of player scouting and development, so a good fit. With Dusty Baker getting only a one year deal, I’m guessing Click is going to get to bring in the next long term manager sometime in the next year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ManUtdRedDevils said: I had a choice between putting it in The Mariners or The Astros cheaters thread. Seemed like an easy decision. #FuckAstros I like Mookie but 12/420 seems a bit much. As a Yankee fan, he doesn’t instill any fear when he is up to bat unlike other past Red Sox greats like Ortiz and Ramirez. 12/420 really isn't that crazy given the value he brings to his team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jose said: 12/420 really isn't that crazy given the value he brings to his team. Flipping Greinke is making 35 a year now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml Fuck, Mookie is so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 He is, and it kills me to lose him. What am I gonna do with my Mookie shirt and jersey? Think I'll keep his autograph for a while, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Honestly, I knew his 2018 was ridiculous, but I didn't fully appreciate just how good it was. And he missed over 20 games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I just wonder where he’ll ultimately end up. Who’s gonna pay that $400 million or more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Also, this thread and the book I'm currently reading have painfully reminded me of the biggest failure to sign in recent Red Sox history: Jon Lester. I loved that guy and they lowballed him so badly before the 2014 season. Guy even indicated he wanted to stay in Boston and would take a discount to do so and they still insultingly undercut his value. At least he went to my NL team and helped them end a World Series drought, so that was a little silver lining. But still. I wanted that guy to retire in Boston. He should have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rc0101 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 “But everything started with Codebreaker, and the use of it to steal signs into 2018 - not just at home, but also on the road.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 an intern proposed the idea that was put in the place for 2017 and 2018. Where is that guy now? Quote The intern, who currently works as the Astros' senior manager of team operations, told investigators that he assumed Luhnow knew it would be used in live games. What? The guy who possibly didn’t know about the program got suspended for a year but the person who devised the plan is now a senior manager with Astros and not punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 One of the funny things in that article was about how people knew to include the info they needed Lunhow to see in the first page of an email because he was known not to read the whole thing. That seems to be a common practice of big time business executives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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