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[Dodger]

Hopefully I can get a Amazon Pre order for the XSX whenever that goes live. I still think a $399 PS5 DE basically kills this, if Sony can get the price there. MS must be confident they can't get there. 

[Pikachu]

 

 

[crispy4000]

1 hour ago, JPDunks4 said:

 

It's using modern architecture, meaning by One X's standards its upwards of 6/7TF.  Has a more capable CPU than the PS5.  Storage is obviously smaller, but if you plug an external into it and transfer game's quickly to and from, that isn't that big of an issue.  A One X and PS4 Pro today still MSRP for $400, so yeah, $300 is too expensive?

 

The One X and PS4 Pro never saw the price cuts they should have by now (probably due to the lower end SKUs). They'll likely be phased out instead of slashed down further (officially).

$300 is a fair price point.  The number is aggressive, but the GPU is also aggressively underpowered.  It's not quite the nuclear option that the Dreamcast and Gamecube were back in the day in terms of spec value.
 

38 minutes ago, Dodger said:

Hopefully I can get a Amazon Pre order for the XSX whenever that goes live. I still think a $399 PS5 DE basically kills this, if Sony can get the price there. MS must be confident they can't get there. 

If I was Sony, that's what I'd aim for.  Don't think it would kill Series S' bid for the lowest end, but they should be able to have broad reach with it.

[Keyser_Soze]

Oh so the black thing is just a really big Oreo!

[JPDunks4]

[AbsolutSurgen]

1 hour ago, JPDunks4 said:

 

It's using modern architecture, meaning by One X's standards its upwards of 6/7TF.  Has a more capable CPU than the PS5.  Storage is obviously smaller, but if you plug an external into it and transfer game's quickly to and from, that isn't that big of an issue. 

 

A One X and PS4 Pro today still MSRP for $400ish, so yeah, $300 is too expensive?

It has a GPU that will struggle to play games at playable framerates/resolution in a couple of years.  When you are buying a console at launch, you should at least have a reasonable expectation of playing games throughout the gen.  I don't think that will be the case here.

[JPDunks4]

6 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

It has a GPU that will struggle to play games at playable framerates/resolution in a couple of years.  When you are buying a console at launch, you should at least have a reasonable expectation of playing games throughout the gen.  I don't think that will be the case here.

 

Once again, it's literally cheaper than weaker consoles on the market today.  A PS4 Slim is still $300 7 years after launch.

[AbsolutSurgen]

6 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said:

 

Once again, it's literally cheaper than weaker consoles on the market today.  A PS4 Slim is still $300 7 years after launch.

You could buy a PS4 with God of War, TLoU and Horizon: Zero Dawn for $200 last Xmas.  Unless MS is bundling this, or offering aggressive discounts at Xmas, it is a terrible value.

[JPDunks4]

6 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

You could buy a PS4 with God of War, TLoU and Horizon: Zero Dawn for $200 last Xmas.  Unless MS is bundling this, or offering aggressive discounts at Xmas, it is a terrible value.

 

During a special Holiday sale,  for a console that'll last you a year.  Should've been $100 tops but it flew off store shelves.

 

Yet $300 for a console that is far far far more capable than the PS4, that can play essentially every Xbox One game better than the Xbox One X and play next gen games simply at a lower resolution is too expensive.  

[Spawn_of_Apathy]

The One X is still $499, and the Series S will be more powerful and $299. Based on the current market that seems like good value. Especially since you have access to all the Xbox One back catalog of games too. 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said:

You could buy a PS4 with God of War, TLoU and Horizon: Zero Dawn for $200 last Xmas.  Unless MS is bundling this, or offering aggressive discounts at Xmas, it is a terrible value.

Ahhh, yes, the age old D1P “something not for me is a bad idea” post. It never gets old

[Paperclyp]

1 hour ago, TwinIon said:

I'm not sure what definition of mainstream wouldn't include Spider-Man. I think this one not being a "full game" might hinder its ability to be a system seller, but it's still a game based on one of the biggest multi-media IPs in the world, that's a sequel to what I believe is the 10th highest selling console game of this generation (or it's at least somewhere there-about).

 

I'd also argue that the messaging was only botched to the already plugged in crowd. Most people will just see a new Spider-man game sitting next to the PS5 and be excited.

 

Besides, most launch games are bad. I think it's safe to expect Spider-Man to be pretty good.

I've already addressed this. Of course it is a mainstream property. If the first game (and again, keep in mind this is not being perceived as the follow up, it is seen as a side game) was in the low end top 10 (which I kind of doubt, but let's even say it's 8th) - no, that's not a system seller IMO. It's in the same vein as like an Assassin's Creed game or an NBA 2K game. Sell very well, generally highly regarded, but when I said "mainstream" before I mean it's not going to get the casual video game consumer to go out and buy a $500+ machine to play it. 

54 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

The bar for 'good launch game' has been spectacularly low for generations now.  A system seller launch title for either Sony and Microsoft's platforms don't have to be anything close to a Mario 64.  It just has to convince people to purchase sooner rather than later.  Spider-Man could be one of the best cases Sony makes in generations for the reasons that @TwinIon said above.

 

I was saying the same sort of things about Halo Infinite before it was delayed.  It had the potential to be an even bigger deal for Microsoft, until the demo happened.

 

So, let me put this in the clearest possible terms so we can stop (not really ) arguing that Spiderman is a popular property: 

 

1. Microsoft is releasing a machine that will in all likelihood be at least $100 cheaper than the competition. 

2. They had an opportunity to couple that with the release of a Halo game, and I'm putting forth a hypothetical world where that Halo game is universally praised 

3. With those combined, that would have given them a CLEAR advantage over a more expensive Sony machine + a Spiderman game

 

As it stands, Sony is going to have the clear software advantage, but I certainly don't believe joe shmo is sitting at home ready to spend $600 to play a 12 hour spiderman spinoff. 

[Mr.Vic20]

Well, now we know the pricing floor, so bring on the ceiling! 

[crispy4000]

23 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said:

 

Once again, it's literally cheaper than weaker consoles on the market today.  A PS4 Slim is still $300 7 years after launch.

7 years in most consoles are price averaged at 50% of their launch price value .  At $300, the PS3 Slim would be at 75%. Series S too, if you go by it being Kinect-less.

This is very clearly a case of neither Microsoft and Sony being aggressive with their drops this generation.  Either that or relying on holiday deals.  That's the takeaway here.  Unofficially, their sale prices will drop like rocks once the next-gen launches.

[stepee]

These are all great prices. Problem is though I have to put in my pto in by the 15th so I bet on ps5 releasing on the 10th and took that off. So now if I want to revise that guess since it obviously will be a different day should I go a week back or a week later?

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, XxEvil AshxX said:

 

1979. NOW GET OFF  MY LAWN!!!

 

 

[Brian]

The enthusiast crowd misjudging the mainstream audience once again

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

The enthusiast crowd misjudging the mainstream audience once again

Never fails here

[crispy4000]

23 minutes ago, Paperclyp said:

So, let me put this in the clearest possible terms so we can stop (not really ) arguing that Spiderman is a popular property: 

 

1. Microsoft is releasing a machine that will in all likelihood be at least $100 cheaper than the competition. 

2. They had an opportunity to couple that with the release of a Halo game, and I'm putting forth a hypothetical world where that Halo game is universally praised 

3. With those combined, that would have given them a CLEAR advantage over a more expensive Sony machine + a Spiderman game

 

As it stands, Sony is going to have the clear software advantage, but I certainly don't believe joe shmo is sitting at home ready to spend $600 to play a 12 hour spiderman spinoff. 

 

It's a bit more complicated on that on Microsoft's side.  Joe schmoe with an Microsoft console wouldn't need to buy a new $300-500 thingamagigger to play Halo.  Day and date, he could fire up the console (or PC) he already has and do it.   I still think it'd drive console sales, but probably the most on the Series X end of things where a next-gen experience is desired.

I don't think Sony's pricing any PS5 SKU at $600.  But yes, I do think that Miles Morales is something people are excited about as a launch game, and purchase a new console (in part) to play.  Over half of everyone who bought the first game finished it.  And at least a 1/3rd of it feels like a set-up for an eventual followup.  It's extremely heavy handed with that.

[JPDunks4]

22 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

7 years in most consoles are price averaged at 50% of their launch price value .  At $300, the PS3 Slim would be at 75%. Series S too, if you go by it being Kinect-less.

This is very clearly a case of neither Microsoft and Sony being aggressive with their drops this generation.  Either that or relying on holiday deals.  That's the takeaway here.  Unofficially, their sale prices will drop like rocks once the next-gen launches.

So what's your point.

 

The value of consoles is holding up more than ever and people are buying them at higher price points than ever before? 

 

That means $300 is probably too low based on current buying trends, not too high.

 

If 7 year old tech is bring priced at $300 today, then how in the hell is brand new tech at $300 too expensive?

[Paperclyp]

5 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

 

It's a bit more complicated on that on Microsoft's side.  Joe schmoe with an Microsoft console wouldn't need to buy a new $300-500 thingamagigger to play Halo.  Day and date, he could fire up the console (or PC) he already has and do it.   I still think it'd drive console sales, but probably the most on the Series X end of things where a next-gen experience is desired.

I don't think Sony's pricing any PS5 SKU at $600.  But yes, I do think that Miles Morales is something people are excited about as a launch game, and purchase a new console (in part) to play.  Over half of everyone who bought the first game finished it.  And at least a 1/3rd of it feels like a set-up for an eventual followup.  It's extremely heavy handed with that.

I don’t really disagree except to say Joe doesn’t have a gaming PC. 

[Paperclyp]

14 minutes ago, ManUtdRedDevils said:

The enthusiast crowd misjudging the mainstream audience once again

Care to elaborate? 

[crispy4000]

4 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said:

So what's your point.

 

Theyvalue of consoles is holding up more than ever and people are buying them at higher price points than ever before? 

 

That means $300 is probably too low based on current buying trends, not too high.

 

If 7 year old tech is bring priced at $300 today, then how in the hell is brand new tech at $300 too expensive?

 

My point is that the current consoles are far too expensive for the tech inside at current MSRPs.  Hence when we're at the start of a new gen and there's actual pressure to undercut, they're a poor representation of value for price.  You might as well throw out the comparison.

[crispy4000]

3 minutes ago, Paperclyp said:

I don’t really disagree except to say Joe doesn’t have a gaming PC. 

 

Okay then.  His Android Phone.  Maybe iPhones after lawsuits and litigation.

[Paperclyp]

Just now, crispy4000 said:

 

Okay then.  His Android Phone.  Maybe iPhones after lawsuits and litigation.

Lol like you can hedge it any number of ways. My point is a good halo game trumps the shit out of Spider-Man in driving interest in a brand new console. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, crispy4000 said:

 

My point is that the current consoles are far too expensive for the tech inside at current MSRPs.

Aren’t the current gen console hardware continuing to sell fairly well at the current price point? If so, how are they priced too high? Seems as though they are at the price the market will bear if they are clearing stock at the pace they want.

[crispy4000]

6 minutes ago, Paperclyp said:

Lol like you can hedge it any number of ways. My point is a good halo game trumps the shit out of Spider-Man in driving interest in a brand new console. 

 

Microsoft wants Gamespass everywhere.  So why not?

Halo as a brand needs a revival of the sort Halo Infinite initially promised.  It could have made Sony's outlook much worse if they delivered.  But it would also have to be damn good to eat their lunch.

That said, even a halfway decent Halo would be better than any of Microsoft and Sony's console launches since 2001.

[JPDunks4]

5 minutes ago, Paperclyp said:

Lol like you can hedge it any number of ways. My point is a good halo game trumps the shit out of Spider-Man in driving interest in a brand new console. 

 

And still begs the question, why have we seen Insomniacs not launch game multiple times, but not seen Spiderman Miles Morales at all?  

[number305]

6 minutes ago, JPDunks4 said:

 

And still begs the question, why have we seen Insomniacs not launch game multiple times, but not seen Spiderman Miles Morales at all?  

I really feel for how close we are to launch we haven't seen much from either side.  

 

 

[JPDunks4]

3 minutes ago, number305 said:

I really feel for how close we are to launch we haven't seen much from either side.  

 

 

100% agreed, not excusing Microsoft for not showing anything, but it's just odd Insomniac is the studio developing Sony's biggest launch title, and has shown game demos multiple times, of the game not coming out at launch.

 

I figured they'd have Insomniac showing more of Miles Morales since its a Day 1 title over Ratchet and Clank.

 

But they could also be saving it for the day they do their Pre-Order Pricing announcement to capture all that hype into Pre-Orders.  That is if you make the special VIP Email list to get a Pre-Order.

[skillzdadirecta]

So wait... people are saying the Series S at 299 is too expensive when up until recently you couldn't find current gen consoles anywhere at the same price? What exactly is going on in here? 

[crispy4000]

Just now, JPDunks4 said:

100% agreed, not excusing Microsoft for not showing anything, but it's just odd Insomniac is the studio developing Sony's biggest launch title, and has shown game demos multiple times, of the game not coming out at launch.

 

I figured they'd have Insomniac showing more of Miles Morales since its a Day 1 title over Ratchet and Clank.

 

But they could also be saving it for the day they do their Pre-Order Pricing announcement to capture all that hype into Pre-Orders.

 

They showed the same demo twice essentially though.  Just one being an extended cut.

Who knows for sure about Spider-Man, but it was probably the right choice to prioritize a Ratchet demo to sell the SSD.

[Guest]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

So wait... people are saying the Series S at 299 is too expensive when up until recently you couldn't find current gen consoles anywhere at the same price? What exactly is going on in here? 

People need something to argue about

[crispy4000]

Just now, skillzdadirecta said:

So wait... people are saying the Series S at 299 is too expensive when up until recently you couldn't find current gen consoles anywhere at the same price? What exactly is going on in here? 

 

Nope, it's not too expensive.  It's more that current gen consoles haven't dropped in price as much as they should have by now.

[skillzdadirecta]

1 minute ago, crispy4000 said:

 

Nope, it's not too expensive.  It's more that current gen consoles haven't dropped in price as much as they should have by now.

And why is that ?