b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 hours ago, skillzdadirecta said: Releasing the transcript (if it happens) means nothing if they are still blocking the whistleblower's complaint from going to Congress. The complaint was based on more than just the one phone call from what I understand. Supposedly the whole thing, plus the IG report, will be released. Not sure if us plebs will get to see it, but it should be released. If a career Intel officer thinks Trump is a national security threat, it needs to be public knowledge, now that whatever Pelosi has agreed to doing is happening. I wonder how much more could have been uncovered if Dems had played hardball from the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mclumber1 said: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Good to see the vote to release the content of the transcript was unanimous. Tbh, I can see ways this could backfire politically for the Dems in the long run, but it’s probably the right call ethically given what we know. Generally, I still think impeachment should be a last resort and used only in truly egregious cases of evidence of possible misconduct. It shouldn’t be used to settle political scores—that’s what the ballot box is for. But this is one of those egregious cases. If the transcripts reveal no conclusive evidence of quid-pro-quo/bribery/etc., IMO Trump could have avoided this (given Pelosi’s reluctance) by just releasing them immediately. So long as he refuses to do so, extracting them through impeachment (or the threat of impeachment via an inquiry) is really the only option—making this a defensible course of action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Why hasn’t more emphasis been placed on Trump not delivering the whistleblower report to Congress as required by Federal law? I want to see the report, not the “transcript”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Why hasn’t more emphasis been placed on Trump not delivering the whistleblower report to Congress as required by Federal law? I want to see the report, not the “transcript”. Yeah, ideally we ought to seeing both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Why hasn’t more emphasis been placed on Trump not delivering the whistleblower report to Congress as required by Federal law? I want to see the report, not the “transcript”. 2 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Yeah, ideally we ought to seeing both. Supposedly we are. They announced that they are releasing the whistleblower report to congress tomorrow. Probably forced to by that unanimous Senate vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Interesting twist: Trump says he’ll release both whistleblower complaint and transcript by the end of the week. edit: damn you, skillzdadirecta 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Interesting twist: Trump says he’ll release both whistleblower complaint and transcript by the end of the week. Didn't he say he'd release the Kavanaugh report "soon" back when that was fresh news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Didn't he say he'd release the Kavanaugh report "soon" back when that was fresh news? True...still holds out the possibility that Kal will win this thread though lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 24 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: If the transcripts reveal no conclusive evidence of quid-pro-quo/bribery/etc., Quid pro quo isn't required for this to be impeachable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 @SFLUFAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: True...still holds out the possibility that Kal will win this thread though lol. Kal is gonna claim victory no matter what doe. Spoiler Because he's a Masshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, nublood said: Dumb is manufacturing false enthusiasm for an impeachment that’s never gonna happen. It’s sad because collectively you guys know he won’t get impeached. But you’ll continue to insult me and circle jerk each other because that’s the extent of your tolerance around here. Did Reagan get impeached? How bout Bush Sr or Jr? How many sitting republican presidents have the dems tried and failed to impeach? Since you all share in that mentality, why don’t someone run to SFLU and have me banned so you never have to see my difference of opinion ever again. And I don’t watch Fox News, nor did I vote for Trump btw. I actually agree he won't be impeached. But that's not really the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Reputator said: I actually agree he won't be impeached. But that's not really the point. He will absolutely be impeached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: The dealmaker! “Resign” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: “Resign” "Resign and we'll let you flee to Moscow instead of executing you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, 2user1cup said: M4A + Green New Deal Fuck yeah. I'd take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Well, today is the day I actually bothered reading about what impeachment is and how it works. So that's fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, TheLeon said: Well, today is the day I actually bothered reading about what impeachment is and how it works. So that's fun. So you are one step ahead of nubrood. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Fucking finally! Better late than never. Hopefully it's not too late though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 The GOP message machine has already successfully created the idea that sans an explicitly quid-pro-quo there is nothing there. I think the GOP senators know that such a thing doesn’t exist in the transcript or report and will immediately claim this is another witch hunt. Who knows if that gambit will work, but I won’t be surprised if it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 CNN is saying a trial isn't required, Mitch can just call a straight up or down vote 5 minutes after getting the Impeachment Articles from the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Scraping the barrel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Yeah technically it's just a vote, the rest is validation of the vote and pressure for the other chamber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, sblfilms said: The GOP message machine has already successfully created the idea that sans an explicitly quid-pro-quo there is nothing there. I think the GOP senators know that such a thing doesn’t exist in the transcript or report and will immediately claim this is another witch hunt. Who knows if that gambit will work, but I won’t be surprised if it does. It will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Sure, removing him from office would be nice, and well-deserved since the only thing Trump seems to have interest in is looting the country for his own financial benefit. We all know Republicans won't vote to convict. But holding public hearings and trials will be very important and beneficial. Show the administration's crime. Get them on record. Get testimony on record. And force Republicans to vote on it. That's what we are going for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Speaking of crimes: The whitewashing of the Bush Administration is absolutely disgusting. Everyone involved with the Iraq invasion should be in jail. And Obama's greatest sin was letting the Bush Administration skate on their crimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, BlueAngel said: Trump 2020 guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, BlueAngel said: Trump 2020 guaranteed. Nothing says winning like Trump cucking himself to Pelosi over the whistle blower case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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