PaladinSolo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: It's also already out in the hands of civilians. Wouldn't that just mean government officials or those with security clearances couldn't read it, but it's free reign for anyone else that already has their hands on it? The publisher said hundreds of thousands of copies have already shipped globally, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 The people pushing the Matt taibbi article in the past few days are total fucking marks. And I hate that Matty Y makes this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 32 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: The publisher said hundreds of thousands of copies have already shipped globally, lol. Even if it weren't the case and say Bolton's book was chock full of classified data that for some unknown reason was never cleared by the NSA or whoever reviews this stuff. Unless I'm mistaken, Trump still can't stop the book once it's in civilian hands. He could send the DoJ after Bolton and stop anyone with current security clearances from reading the book, but it ends there. At least that's about how much I remember the last time I went through a clearance review, but I've never claimed my memory was any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: Even if it weren't the case and say Bolton's book was chock full of classified data that for some unknown reason was never cleared by the NSA or whoever reviews this stuff. Unless I'm mistaken, Trump still can't stop the book once it's in civilian hands. He could send the DoJ after Bolton and stop anyone with current security clearances from reading the book, but it ends there. At least that's about how much I remember the last time I went through a clearance review, but I've never claimed my memory was any good. I think they can probably stop the publisher from printing new copies but yeah, they can't really do anything to compel you not to read it if you don't have a clearance and there's already plenty of copies out in the wild. I guess they could do what they did with Wikileaks after the Manning and Snowden dumps and warn people off reading it if they ever want to be eligible for a clearance, but that's still not that many more people, plus unlike with the Wikileaks dumps I'm not sure if a future administration would actually hold this one over people's heads if they didn't already have a clearance at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Jason said: I think they can probably stop the publisher from printing new copies but yeah, they can't really do anything to compel you not to read it if you don't have a clearance. I guess they could do what they did with Wikileaks after the Manning and Snowden dumps and warn people off reading it if they ever want to be eligible for a clearance, but that's still not that many more people, plus unlike with the Wikileaks dumps I'm not sure if a future administration would actually hold this one over people's heads if they didn't already have a clearance at the time. See, I don't actually know if they can even compel the publisher to stop the presses, so to speak. A functional administration couldn't do anything about literally stolen, actually classified data from being disseminated. I don't know how this one would figure out a way to stop a book with data of questionable classification that likely was already cleared for publishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Interesting thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: See, I don't actually know if they can even compel the publisher to stop the presses, so to speak. A functional administration couldn't do anything about literally stolen, actually classified data from being disseminated. I don't know how this one would figure out a way to stop a book with data of questionable classification that likely was already cleared for publishing. 1. I would think it's easier to get a legit publisher to stop than it is to get Wikileaks to stop. 2. Was the previous administration UNABLE to, or did they just not want to amplify/confirm it by fighting that battle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 My understanding is that the Pentagon papers set the bar extremely high for preventing the dissemination of information in a journalistic capacity. If Trump can sue him for any of this stuff it's likely only after he publishes. Basically the bar is lower for Trump's lawyers to say after publication , "He revealed this and it caused this damage and we want this remedy". Just saying "This might be classified, and it might cause this damage, so censor it in perpetuity" is almost certain to fail. And unlike many other cases it's so weak it will likely be dismissed out of hand and not even slow him down. It doesn't help their case that he was already cleared and then Trump appointed a stooge that went back and tried to redo the process, but I don't think they even need that roadbump. The case is just weak regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 hours ago, osxmatt said: To be fair, writing a salacious and intentionally misleading book about Trump would be pretty easy. This quote being a prime example. Does this sound like Trump would say? Absolutely. But could Bolton completely make this up, and get people to believe it? Absolutely. And at the core, I believe that to be the issue. It doesn’t really matter (to some degree) whether he said it or not. Just the fact it’s believable is damning. Former Mattis speechwriter coroborates it. It's funny because you see the story, see the source, and instinctually want to shy away and say, "Well maybe Bolton misunderstood, or exaggerated, or just has an ax to grind." You don't want to believe a president would actually say that. But time and again Trump proves it's hard for his enemies to make stuff up about him because he really is just that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jason said: 1. I would think it's easier to get a legit publisher to stop than it is to get Wikileaks to stop. 2. Was the previous administration UNABLE to, or did they just not want to amplify/confirm it by fighting that battle? Someone that knows better than I really should chime in, but this has always been my understanding of these things. If the publisher, themselves, are not cleared and come into possession of classified information, unknowingly, the government can ask nicely, but they can't stop their 1st amendment rights from shouting them from the mountain tops. That would be because the publisher has no existing relationship certifying that they'll properly handle classified information. There isn't any existing contract between the government and the publisher that would stop the book from being printed. The damage has already been done and the government can instead go after the leaker of said classified data while also issuing a warning to current holders of security clearances that reading the book could be a breach and cause the loss of your clearance. I don't even know if there's any other punishment for anyone that reads the book other than losing their clearance. If I'm right, Bolton would be the only one this administration could go after, but his book was already cleared, so they likely won't have much standing in court. I guess his security clearance could be revoked in that case, for whatever that may be worth. 2, no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jason said: White ain't right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 The last 3 sentences: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: The last 3 sentences: This is the sad part about it. I don't doubt that much of what Bolton says is true but the fact that he said nothing when it actually mattered says more about HIM than Trump. Fuck him and the rest of the enablers who got us to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ort Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 YOU hired him you flailing vile dipshit... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 16 hours ago, ort said: YOU hired him you flailing vile dipshit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnd, someone leaked the entire book. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Jesus, I read the first sentence and this is already insufferable Quote One attraction of being National Security Advisor is the sheer multiplicity and volume of challenges that confront you. Multiplicity AND volume of challenges? Just say that there's a lot of challenges, dude. Purple-ass prose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Ricofoley said: Jesus, I read the first sentence and this is already insufferable Multiplicity AND volume of challenges? Just say that there's a lot of challenges, dude. Purple-ass prose. That must be why it took so long to edit. Usually, for books like this, I assume that they're ghost-written. I 100% believe Bolton wrote this in his own hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ricofoley Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, CayceG said: That must be why it took so long to edit. Usually, for books like this, I assume that they're ghost-written. I 100% believe Bolton wrote this in his own hand. It's definitely self-important enough in tone from the parts I skimmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I just can't be bothered to pirate, far less actually read, the Rage Walrus's self-aggrandizement. I can effectively summarize the book: "I was totally cool with Trump until the time he decided that he didn't want to kill more brown people in Iran. The End." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Let's see if this book was more interesting at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Was he fired though or quit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chairslinger Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, Jason said: Every crazy, fringe, pantshittingly insane thing any rightwinger ever accused Holder and Lynch of doing is now just a Tuesday afternoon for Barr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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