ort Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Yep, TiVo 4 Life! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: <---- Never got rid of cable, feeling pretty smug right about now 3 hours ago, ort said: I also have cable. The experience of watching shows recorded off of cable onto a TiVo is still 10 times better than streaming. lol. Nah. Just because the new system is still all getting worked out does not mean that a caveman setup is preferable. A good setup with cable or DirecTV is going to run you about $140 per month (a setup with a healthy package of channels, HD, multiple tuners etc) You can pay for LOTS of streaming services with that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, ort said: Yep, TiVo 4 Life! How is it better than the DVRs built into cable/satellite boxes these days? (Honestly asking, not being sarcastic) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 5 hours ago, SaysWho? said: The Office is the most-watched show on Netflix. Friends is second but not even close to what The Office gets. People should watch better shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 This is getting absurd. 4 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: People should watch better shows. Agreed, although The Office is a far better show than Friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 17 hours ago, John said: I'm talking about everybody saying NBC doesn't have anything worth watching yet Brooklyn Nine-Nine was saved by NBC. Sounds like nobody here plans on watching it. I’ll watch it as it airs. Same with the final season of The Good Place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 1:45 PM, Spork3245 said: How is it better than the DVRs built into cable/satellite boxes these days? (Honestly asking, not being sarcastic) Well, I don't have a ton of experience with those other systems, so it's hard to say... in my limited time messing with my parents and brothers setups, I feel pretty good. Mine are on lifetime service, so it's a sunk cost at this point. Word on the street is that as far as DVRs go, TiVo is still king. I don't know for sure, but I do know that this won't last forever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1Cowboy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 11:00 AM, SFLUFAN said: <---- Never got rid of cable, feeling pretty smug right about now Except...does CBS even show Star Trek:Discovery on it's regular Cable Channel? It looks like networks are looking to paywall some of their better content to make extra money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 11:17 AM, Keyser_Soze said: There are cable alternatives like YoutubeTV that work just as good and you don't get reamed in the ass by the cable company. We dumped Cable for YouTube TV, so much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 3:06 PM, Kal-El814 said: People should watch better shows. It isn't about quality, but about it being good background noise. Something you don't really have pay attention to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Except...does CBS even show Star Trek:Discovery on it's regular Cable Channel? It looks like networks are looking to paywall some of their better content to make extra money. Discovery has Blu-ray release, so that's even better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 4 hours ago, Alpha1Cowboy said: Except...does CBS even show Star Trek:Discovery on it's regular Cable Channel? It looks like networks are looking to paywall some of their better content to make extra money. Not always “better”. In the case of CBS they’re just trying to exploit the fans of Star Trek, because they feel it is too niche for broadcast tv where they would have to sell the show to sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 7:30 PM, Massdriver said: Agreed, although The Office is a far better show than Friends. It's better, I don't know about "much" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 As a female who was coming of age in the late 90s, Friends was terrible. All the girls raved over it and I tried watching it and just wasn't amused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLeon Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 I've watched every episode of Friends twice since it was added to Netflix. I will not defend it as a quality show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 42 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: As a female who was coming of age in the late 90s, Friends was terrible. All the girls raved over it and I tried watching it and just wasn't amused. Today it's even worse. All the gay and sexist jokes really haven't helped it stand the test of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 16 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Today it's even worse. All the gay and sexist jokes really haven't helped it stand the test of time. Everything of that era has already aged super poorly in this regard. There’s just so much material that involves tricking women into sex, casual homophobia, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 34 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Everything of that era has already aged super poorly in this regard. There’s just so much material that involves tricking women into sex, casual homophobia, etc. Definitely true. But I think Friends is one of the worst in that sense. Its competition for "best 90s sitcom" holds up somewhat well in that regard as the characters in Seinfeld are routinely punished for their exploits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 36 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Everything of that era has already aged super poorly in this regard. There’s just so much material that involves tricking women into sex, casual homophobia, etc. For many of those shows, the guys get screwed, but not how they wanted. I feel for a lot of the quality shows shows, the homosexual was displayed in a positive light, while the scared straight guy looked silly. Frasier did it three times, though the third time the drama was more simply why Frasier was OK with being in a "power couple." But the first two times, Frasier and his dad end up looking silly with how they overcompensate because the gay character is easily accepting and isn't try to force anything. Seinfeld was great at this because George looked ridiculous anytime he was worried that he might be gay. The episode where Jerry starts to express his feelings, George is nervous, but Kramer's just like, "I love you too, buddy." Side note: In Seinfeld, The Limo may have aged poorly because there weren't people trying to "both sides" George at the end during the protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Definitely true. But I think Friends is one of the worst in that sense. Its competition for "best 90s sitcom" holds up somewhat well in that regard as the characters in Seinfeld are routinely punished for their exploits. Friends is an interesting case because I have to assume that the writers thought they were being progressive. Ross’s ex (I cannot recall the character’s name) is gay, Ross is generally supportive of her, etc. There’s (hopefully) a huge extent to which the “no homo” through Superbad era ages badly. I’d challenge the notion that anyone on Seinfeld is meaningfully punished for the antics of the main cast aside from Susan. Somewhat more seriously, Seinfeld does pretty well for its time aside from the whole, “not that there’s anything wrong with that” screed which was no homo before no homo was a thing. 21 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: For many of those shows, the guys get screwed, but not how they wanted. I feel for a lot of the quality shows shows, the homosexual was displayed in a positive light, while the scared straight guy looked silly. Frasier did it three times, though the third time the drama was more simply why Frasier was OK with being in a "power couple." But the first two times, Frasier and his dad end up looking silly with how they overcompensate because the gay character is easily accepting and isn't try to force anything. Seinfeld was great at this because George looked ridiculous anytime he was worried that he might be gay. The episode where Jerry starts to express his feelings, George is nervous, but Kramer's just like, "I love you too, buddy." Side note: In Seinfeld, The Limo may have aged poorly because there weren't people trying to "both sides" George at the end during the protests. Frasier is kind of an interesting case as well. I dunno that you could have a show today where a non trivial part of the humor is derived from a woman who is so shrewish, frail, and frigid that she could not possibly be shown on screen. David Hyde Pierce wasn’t out at the time Frasier was on, I think. I don’t know if he was out privately. I’d assume you’re less likely to get gay characters as caricature on a show if one of the main stars is out, but who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Just now, Kal-El814 said: Friends is an interesting case because I have to assume that the writers thought they were being progressive. Ross’s ex (I cannot recall the character’s name) is gay, Ross is generally supportive of her, etc. Even with her though, there was always some Ross line where he talks about her. "I should have known because she liked this one action movie. I should have known because she drank this one redneck beer." And shit like that constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Even with her though, there was always some Ross line where he talks about her. "I should have known because she liked this one action movie. I should have known because she drank this one redneck beer." And shit like that constantly. Oh yeah, absolutely. I just have to assume the mentality was that because they were inclusive enough to have her character on the show at all, any kind of reaction to it was fine. Which is silly because there’s plenty of fertile ground to cover if a dude ends up getting bailed on by a partner he assumed was straight, who was closeted, who realized they were queer late, etc. They cover some of it but a lot of it is the lowest hanging fruit on the tree. EDIT - which is all why representation is so important. Not every gay dude shits glitter, not every lesbian has a dog and a Subaru. Those people exist and deserve to be represented but when the portrayals are few and far between every one of them has to do so much heavy lifting which is just lousy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Friends is hot garbage and probably one of the most overrated shows in existence, even during its prime in the 90s. /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Frasier is kind of an interesting case as well. I dunno that you could have a show today where a non trivial part of the humor is derived from a woman who is so shrewish, frail, and frigid that she could not possibly be shown on screen. David Hyde Pierce wasn’t out at the time Frasier was on, I think. I don’t know if he was out privately. I’d assume you’re less likely to get gay characters as caricature on a show if one of the main stars is out, but who knows. I don't see the problem in the former, honestly. For the latter, I'm pretty sure they made him like Frasier when you first met him in Cheers, not someone who's supposed to be like a gay guy. Unless I'm totally misreading you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I feel like The Golden Girls was pretty progressive for its time. But I'll also just never not love that show. It's really the only sitcom I've ever really loved. I don't really consider The Office a sitcom, I guess, but I still love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 5 hours ago, SaysWho? said: For the latter, I'm pretty sure they made him like Frasier when you first met him in Cheers, not someone who's supposed to be like a gay guy. Unless I'm totally misreading you. I don't think I wrote my thoughts especially well... I was trying to speculate about whether or not DHP was out amongst friends while Frasier was on the air, and if so, whether or not having a gay man in the cast made people less likely to write shitty gay characters / reactions to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: I don't think I wrote my thoughts especially well What else is new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 got em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chris- said: got em GOT HEEEEEEEEEM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 It’s funny because it’s true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 On 6/30/2019 at 5:45 PM, GeneticBlueprint said: Today it's even worse. All the gay and sexist jokes really haven't helped it stand the test of time. This affects more than some might think. I’ve recently rewatched some 90s Disney animated movies with scenes that of in movies today would be called out for being homophobic. What was was funny and acceptable 20-30 years ago, even in your more “wholesome family entertainment”, gets you blasted on social media to if attempted today. I think we’ve moved faster socially in the past 10 years than in the previous 100 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: This affects more than some might think. I’ve recently rewatched some 90s Disney animated movies with scenes that of in movies today would be called out for being homophobic. What was was funny and acceptable 20-30 years ago, even in your more “wholesome family entertainment”, gets you blasted on social media to if attempted today. I think we’ve moved faster socially in the past 10 years than in the previous 100 years. At the same time, you'd NEVER get a show like All in the Family which addressed serious social issues in the 1970s on network television today. If anything, in many aspects, network television was more "progressive" (God, I DESPISE that word!) in the 1970s than it is today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: At the same time, you'd NEVER get a show like All in the Family which addressed serious social issues in the 1970s on network television today. If anything, in many aspects, network television was more "progressive" (God, I DESPISE that word!) in the 1970s than it is today. This is a very progressive viewpoint and I respect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I just sat up too late watching The Office. Nellie isn't as annoying as I remember, or maybe I just haven't seen enough of her yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 9:44 AM, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I just sat up too late watching The Office. Nellie isn't as annoying as I remember, or maybe I just haven't seen enough of her yet. I was annoyed by both Nellie and Robert California when the show originally aired but I've definitely come around on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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