Guest Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 The GOP lost control of the senate because of a defector, but yeah, the notion that the GOP got wrecked as a result of the failed impeachment trial is dubious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Man, if only Republicans lost dearly. Modest losses in the 1998 midterms, a 2000 presidential win (and Bush campaigned on being some moralist, restoring dignity to the White House as he called it), 2002 midterm wins, 2004 presidential and Congressional wins. Republicans ain't never wanna repeat that. 8 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: The 1998 midterm elections which were the closest in proximity to the entire impeachment situation showed no discernible impact from it as the GOP retained control of both houses of Congress. Gonna quibble even though I agree with the gist: the fact that they didn't make gains in a midterm under an opposing president was an impact. It just didn't really change the calculus in Washington. 11 hours ago, marioandsonic said: He said the quiet part loud again. And nothing will come of this. I feel this has happened in his life: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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silentbob Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: Man, if only Republicans lost dearly. Modest losses in the 1998 midterms, a 2000 presidential win (and Bush campaigned on being some moralist, restoring dignity to the White House as he called it), 2002 midterm wins, 2004 presidential and Congressional wins. Republicans ain't never wanna repeat that. Gonna quibble even though I agree with the gist: the fact that they didn't make gains in a midterm under an opposing president was an impact. It just didn't really change the calculus in Washington. I feel this has happened in his life: Trump feels more like a Krusty to me, well in this situation. Although Krusty realized he said something wrong unlike Trump who doubles down and goes for broke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 This motherfucker could build himself a wig sweatshop full of starving African children into the Oval Office using CIA agents as carpenters and there'd be a collective "oh well, it's cuuhhhrazy Donnie guys" shrug. Nobody actually cares. Fox and CNN would both broadcast it live as a motivational story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Sometimes I wonder if Xi is sufficiently annoyed with the tariff nonsense that he'd work against Trump. Putin is easily getting his money's worth, but I don't know if Xi is quite as happy. Then again, maybe Xi would probably take the tariffs in exchange for an incompetent running the US every day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Jason said: I don't really think this Senate will vote to convict, but I do think that not initiating impeachment is a great way to disillusion Democrats and independents into staying home in 2020, while impeaching WOULD fire up turnout. Independents and Democrats who stay home in 2020 because Democrats didn’t initiate impeachment proceedings in 2019 should be flayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Got a get a new chant going Lock him up! Lock him up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 This isn't up for debate. The House has a constitutional legal duty to begin impeachment proceedings. It is the law to do so when sufficient enough evidence has presented itself, which it has. To not do so is negligence of a legal duty, and thus they should all be flayed or forced to begin impeachment proceedings. Whether there is an election coming up at some point shouldn't even enter into the calculus at this point, unless they simply want to time the beginning of impeachment proceedings at just the right time (which is a possibility). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, Bloodporne said: This motherfucker could build himself a wig sweatshop full of starving African children into the Oval Office using CIA agents as carpenters and there'd be a collective "oh well, it's cuuhhhrazy Donnie guys" shrug. Nobody actually cares. Fox and CNN would both broadcast it live as a motivational story. Look! Black jobs! What a hero! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Independents and Democrats who stay home in 2020 because Democrats didn’t initiate impeachment proceedings in 2019 should be flayed. Congressional Democrats should be flayed for ignoring their base because they're concerned about pissing off voters who aren't voting for them regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jason said: Congressional Democrats should be flayed for ignoring their base because they're concerned about pissing off voters who aren't voting for them regardless. More than one thing can be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: More than one thing can be true. Okay, but seriously, Democrats need to have a message that isn't just "who else are you gonna vote for, the Republicans?" It's insanely obvious they take their base for granted and it shouldn't be a shock when the base reacts poorly to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jason said: Congressional Democrats should be flayed for ignoring their base because they're concerned about pissing off voters who aren't voting for them regardless. Says the guy who won't vote for them regardless. THAT SHIT IS RICH YO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Just now, Jose said: Says the guy who won't vote for them regardless. THAT SHIT IS RICH YO. In 2018 I voted for the Democrat in every race that was D vs R but yeah okay sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 My apologies then! Good man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted June 13, 2019 Share Posted June 13, 2019 Even some on the right are chastising him for this. Which makes me think my first instinct on this is probably right. Trump will do some token walk back of this(sounds like his press office already has) and the right will sing his praises. Like his "I meant to say wouldn't instead of would" nonsense in Helsinki. But this is like the Guiliani in Ukraine thing. Even if he attempts a walk back, he has signalled every foreign power he is open for business. This is basically the "Russia if you're listening...." of Trump's second term. And the best part is that when he wins and more interference is revealed, he'll point back to this quote and say "America knew this was going to happen when they elected me" thus legitimizing it just like hiding his tax returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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osxmatt Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, Jason said: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a US election.” So, we got him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 She will be fired within 2 hours by Trump.* *By Trump I mean she will be fired by Trump's (Acting) Chief of Staff. Subsequently, the (Acting) Chief of Staff will also become the (Acting) FEC chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 Oh man, being on the west coast I look forward to waking up to tomorrow already being fully lit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, osxmatt said: “It is illegal for any person to solicit, accept, or receive anything of value from a foreign national in connection with a US election.” So, we got him? Has, Trump is a lizard person, not a legal person for the purpose of this act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Jason said: She'll be fired and replaced by Jr. any minute now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 23 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: She'll be fired and replaced by Jr. any minute now. No way, this is definitely an Ivanka job, she has all those voting machine patents after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 I will continue to have no issue with this, if real dirt exist expose it, why care about the source. If it was dirt on Trump, the people against this would licking the Kool - Aid off the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, Commodore D said: I will continue to have no issue with this, if real dirt exist expose it, why care about the source. If it was dirt on Trump, the people against this would licking the Kool - Aid off the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Bloodporne said: This motherfucker could build himself a wig sweatshop full of starving African children into the Oval Office using CIA agents as carpenters and there'd be a collective "oh well, it's cuuhhhrazy Donnie guys" shrug. Nobody actually cares. Fox and CNN would both broadcast it live as a motivational story. Starving when they come in but then get fed, or do they continue to starve? That makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Commodore D said: Starving when they come in but then get fed, or do they continue to starve? That makes a difference. I mean, best food, they'll be receiving the greatest food anyone's ever seen, I'll make a deal with the best chefs and there'll be food, big things, imagine how great this food will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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