atom631 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: “I can decide not to spend any money on games / gaming services for a year and access all the same content I once could.“ I can’t access all the same content when my paywall subscriptions expire. Online multiplayer modes are content. Maybe you just don’t buy games on PC often anymore. Steam sales are old fashioned. I only “buy” things on there when I use my free credit. GMG typically sells Steam keys for new releases for sub $50. They consistently beat XBLG/PSN+ prices on the AAA games they sell. As do publishers’ own launchers for their own stuff. Only way to match Humble and Fanatical’s bundle deals on consoles is to hit up eBay and hope the discs aren’t scratched up. But only for retail games. Indie game prices almost always hit historical lows on PC first. Only exceptions are those rare cases when the PC port comes late. Those concerns about DRM are overblown, IMO, particularly in comparison to these modern subscription libraries where games are periodically removed to change up the menu. Ultimately, I’d rather have a Steam license for a game than a physical disc with modes that break if I don’t keep throwing money at it. I just preordered every new game with a release date thats been annouced (probably 15 games). Im taking advantage of the final days of my GCU membership. 20% off each physical game, day one. Many give me an extra $10 reward zone. I then use my BB CC for another 5% in points. I can play the game, trade it in, sell it or let a friend borrow it. I know this is ending and it makes me sad... but for years I have gotten every new release for $40 or less using this method. Then sold some of the games for $25-$30 on CL or ebay or worst case trade it in at gamestop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, atom631 said: Or I can build a $1500 pc and laugh at console players for their $400 box about how their getting ripped off. $1500 is cheap son but then again I play at frame rate higher then "cinematic". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, SimpleG said: This is your issue, you look at on line service as some kind extra perk when it not. This isnt sirus radio , this is using your speedometer. sirius is in my car when i buy it. its a matter of them "unlocking it" when i decide to pay. the hardware is all there already. they arent adding anything new. same with naviation, remote start, the driver assist stuff, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, SimpleG said: $1500 is cheap son but then again I play at frame rate higher then "cinematic". i know.. which makes this argument all the more laughable when you quabble at $5/mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, atom631 said: I just preordered every new game with a release date thats been annouced (probably 15 games). Im taking advantage of the final days of my GCU membership. 20% off each physical game, day one. Many give me an extra $10 reward zone. I then use my BB CC for another 5% in points. I can play the game, trade it in, sell it or let a friend borrow it. I know this is ending and it makes me sad... but for years I have gotten every new release for $40 or less using this method. Then sold some of the games for $25-$30 on CL or ebay or worst case trade it in at gamestop. If you’re the type of gamer that sells a lot of what you buy and gets a lot new, then sure, physical is cheapest. GCU was a huge boon for that. It’s going to leave quite a void when it’s gone. If you’re like me and don’t like to schedule your backlog around when games lose value or (partial) access privileges, PC has me covered. I think it’s a great option for patient gamers too. Both are the cheapest routes for each, IMO. I think we prioritize different things. But preferences don’t make XBLG’s existence any less ironic. Microsoft should have ended it with their focus on Games Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 minute ago, atom631 said: i know.. which makes this argument all the more laughable when you quabble at $5/mo. Its less the 5 bucks and more how this action ripples across the entire gaming universe. If console gamers had given MS and Sony the big fuck U like PC gamers did when it was tried on them we wouldnt be having this conversation and y'all wouldn't be ok with console manufacturers selling you a system Rent a Center style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Incredibly shocking that the Aye Mateys of the world revolted against paying for something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 I'm just glad I don't give a shit about playing online. I ain't paying for any of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Its less the 5 bucks and more how this action ripples across the entire gaming universe. If console gamers had given MS and Sony the big fuck U like PC gamers did when it was tried on them we wouldnt be having this conversation and y'all wouldn't be ok with console manufacturers selling you a system Rent a Center style. Precisely. What is going to ripple now are competing Games Pass like subscriptions. And worse this play a Gears a few days early when you layer subscriptions. I blame EA for that last one. Microsoft’s going to popularize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, SimpleG said: Its less the 5 bucks and more how this action ripples across the entire gaming universe. If console gamers had given MS and Sony the big fuck U like PC gamers did when it was tried on them we wouldnt be having this conversation and y'all wouldn't be ok with console manufacturers selling you a system Rent a Center style. Remember when ps3 launched at $600 and the community gasped in utter outrage and shock? The same thing would happen again. PC elitists seem to always forget console gamers don’t really give a fuck about the same things as you. They want to turn the system on and it works. If the games look good, great. I come from both camps and see the value in both. Bottom line- to try and steer this ship back on topic -at $15/mo for access to hundreds of games and first party titles on both my PC and console with cross-play and save - IN MY OPINION - is a great deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, atom631 said: PC elitists seem to always forget console gamers don’t really give a fuck about the same things as you. They want to turn the system on and it works. If the games look good, great. Has nothing to do the with the conversation at hand but keep on flailing 4 minutes ago, atom631 said: Bottom line- to try and steer this ship back on topic -at $15/mo for access to hundreds of games and first party titles on both my PC and console with cross-play and save - IN MY OPINION - is a great deal I agree its a great deal for PC users Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, crispy4000 said: Precisely. What is going to ripple now are competing Games Pass like subscriptions. And worse this play a Gears a few days early when you layer subscriptions. I blame EA for that last one. Microsoft’s going to popularize it. Console makers and game dev/pub are always pushing the boundary of whats ok and if you dont push back it gets normalized Remember when the world was aghast with Horse Armor? Now that shit is an almost every game except now you buy a spin with a chance to win that armor Loot boxes are such a norm now that some devs dont consider them DLC Remember when beating the final boss unlocked new characters Now we have fighter packs PC players used to get updates with free maps and levels but not any more Witcher 3 got a massive internet circle jerk for doing something that was norm not so long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 hours ago, atom631 said: Anything I buy digitally and gold also goes on my sons Xbox. Ive never tried on my pc, but can you do this with steam or the other launchers? On steam you can do a family share with 5 other computers or if you were using the same account you can play the same games offline on another computer if you have it signed in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: On steam you can do a family share with 5 other computers or if you were using the same account you can play the same games offline on another computer if you have it signed in there. My husband has benefited from this several times. Cheap-ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I signed up to give the $1 trial a go (also because I've wanted to give zoo tycoon a whirl for a very very long time). God there are a lot of things microsoft needs to fix on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, chakoo said: I signed up to give the $1 trial a go (also because I've wanted to give zoo tycoon a whirl for a very very long time). God there are a lot of things microsoft needs to fix on this. Like what? (Genuinely asking, I haven’t signed up yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 It's still in Beta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Like what? (Genuinely asking, I haven’t signed up yet) * Downloads from the store were slow and clunky, * No dedicated section in the windows store or xbox companion app from what I can see makes it hard to see what games I have access to (I found it easier to go through the site which then kicks me to the windows store app. =/ * I'm not seeing install or download size listed anywhere on the store app. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 53 minutes ago, chakoo said: * Downloads from the store were slow and clunky, * No dedicated section in the windows store or xbox companion app from what I can see makes it hard to see what games I have access to (I found it easier to go through the site which then kicks me to the windows store app. =/ * I'm not seeing install or download size listed anywhere on the store app. Think you're on the wrong app, bud. Search for "Xbox" and install the app called "Xbox (beta)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Think you're on the wrong app, bud. Search for "Xbox" and install the app called "Xbox (beta)" Thanks but it didn't give me that app yesterday when I looked. I see it now but it's asking for me to install "Windows 10 Insider Preview", So I think I'll hold out for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, chakoo said: Thanks but it didn't give me that app yesterday when I looked. I see it now but it's asking for me to install "Windows 10 Insider Preview", So I think I'll hold out for now. Yeah, it wasn't available until after the press conference, and it does require a Windows update. I'm not sure why. App is alright. Not amazing or anything, but simple and functional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 hours ago, sblfilms said: Incredibly shocking that the Aye Mateys of the world revolted against paying for something I'm too lazy to pirate games these days. I'm also too lazy to pay for online subscriptions just to play online. I just want my games to work as advertised. Period. I've never paid for an MMO either. I still have an unused PSN+ gift card I got for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandino Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 I've been enjoying Gears of War Ultimate Edition from this, in between crashes of course. That game has some issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 17 hours ago, crispy4000 said: I still have an unused PSN+ gift card I got for Christmas. Hey, baby, how you doin'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commodore D Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Don't know if it has been posted in this thread or in general, but if you have months of Game Pass, and or months of Xbox Live, if you upgrade to Ultimate for $1, it should take your existing months and combine them into months for Ultimate +1. Had 21 months of them combined (thanks Bing Rewards) and now I have 22 of Ultimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Commodore D said: Don't know if it has been posted in this thread or in general, but if you have months of Game Pass, and or months of Xbox Live, if you upgrade to Ultimate for $1, it should take your existing months and combine them into months for Ultimate +1. Had 21 months of them combined (thanks Bing Rewards) and now I have 22 of Ultimate. Be sure to extend your Xbox Live Gold or Xbox Game Pass subscription to the maximum allowable of three years first before the conversion to Ultimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 pretty good way to spend a dollar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Are there any Gold or Xbone Game Pass deals around? I have about 8 months left with Gold so I figured I'd buy 2 years of Gold + 3-6 months of GP before switching it to the $1 Ultimate bundle and having it all combine into 3 years of GP Ultimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Are there any Gold or Xbone Game Pass deals around? There was a 12 months of Gold deal for $40 a couple of days ago, but it's gone now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Are there any Gold or Xbone Game Pass deals around? I have about 8 months left with Gold so I figured I'd buy 2 years of Gold + 3-6 months of GP before switching it to the $1 Ultimate bundle and having it all combine into 3 years of GP Ultimate. i picked up a gamepass 12 month sub for $45 on ebay just before i converted. im good until 6/9/21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, atom631 said: i picked up a gamepass 12 month sub for $45 on ebay just before i converted. im good until 6/9/21. All of the 12 months I’m seeing on eBay are in the $90-100 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: All of the 12 months I’m seeing on eBay are in the $90-100 range There is zero doubt in my mind that demand has spiked due to people stacking for conversions to Ultimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: There is zero doubt in my mind that demand has spiked due to people stacking for conversions to Ultimate. Do I just need gold or do I need both for it to stack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 12, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Do I just need gold or do I need both for it to stack? You just need Gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Cdkeys for $50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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