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Ghost_MH Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The Senate also voted recently 98-2 (Bernie and Paul against) to increase sanctions don't forget that That means absolutely nothing here. The only reason that was even necessary was because Trump is always in an undo everything Obama did mood. Also, Democratic leadership, especially in the Senate, is incredibly stupid. That all said, it still means nothing. Sanctions and retaliatory feeble pokes in return were acceptably within what I'd call reasonable expectations. This move goes far beyond any of that and there's no reason not to believe it could lead to escalating action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: That means absolutely nothing here. The only reason that was even necessary was because Trump is always in an undo everything Obama did mood. Also, Democratic leadership, especially in the Senate, is incredibly stupid. That all said, it still means nothing. Sanctions and retaliatory feeble pokes in return were acceptably within what I'd call reasonable expectations. This move goes far beyond any of that and there's no reason not to believe it could lead to escalating action. Think of it this way, they don't care who is president. They see the US overthrowing their democraticlly elected government in the 50's, prop up a brutal monarchy until they overthrow it, and they then give aid and comfort to this brutal monarch after they are overthrown. Recently, they see the US make a deal, and later walks away from the deal. The legislature then increases sanctions on you after they leave the deal you both agreed to. All the while in recent history kinda sorta but actually not working together to rid the region of isis. Then they assassinate the most popular general in the country in retaliation for ransacking the embassy in their client state, which was in turn retaliation for increased US attacks in said client state. We massively fucked up, and dramatically upped the ante for the next round of one upsmanship, and it fits a pattern of increasingly hostile behavior by the US towards Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 hours ago, thewhyteboar said: I laughed... but I hated myself for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Think of it this way, they don't care who is president. They see the US overthrowing their democraticlly elected government in the 50's, prop up a brutal monarchy until they overthrow it, and they then give aid and comfort to this brutal monarch after they are overthrown. Recently, they see the US make a deal, and later walks away from the deal. The legislature then increases sanctions on you after they leave the deal you both agreed to. All the while in recent history kinda sorta but actually not working together to rid the region of isis. Then they assassinate the most popular general in the country in retaliation for ransacking the embassy in their client state, which was in turn retaliation for increased US attacks in said client state. We massively fucked up, and dramatically upped the ante for the next round of one upsmanship, and it fits a pattern of increasingly hostile behavior by the US towards Iran. Yeah, I think we're saying the same thing here. Sanctions and pokes were an uncomfortable equilibrium. I'm sure there were plenty in the Iranian government and our own that were holding our breath waiting to see what came of the 2020 election. Trump's move here just throws all of that out the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: I love that subtlety is out the door Yet another illustration of how bad Twitter has become for public discourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 If the US does get involved in a war with Iran, even mostly just an air/strike war...it's not going to end if Trump loses the election. Democrats are spineless, and they will likely say something like "We should never have started this war, but now that we are in it we can't back down, otherwise we will betraying our troops and the people of the region" or some crap like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Another day, another "get fucked David Frum you neocon shit" who got us in this mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I've been trying to come up with Iranian options that go beyond the expected Iran blowing things up by proxy. The big one is close the straits, but the Navy has been preparing for that scenario for decades and the Navy would eventually reopen it. What if Iran just straight up invaded Iraq to "liberate" from the US? Are we really going to commit several divisions to keep them out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Just lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Shot Chaser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Trump says Iranian military leader was killed by airstrike ‘to stop a war,’ warns Iran not to retaliate DON'T BE A TOUGH GUY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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osxmatt Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 What the fuck is happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, osxmatt said: What the fuck is happening Colin Powell anthrax vial but stupider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 New airstrike targeting Shiite militia convoy north of Baghdad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 All that matters is that the military, the American war machine, and our corporations are fed. Feed the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 hours ago, MarSolo said: Even funnier than the obvious “tweets for everything” regarding Obama and Iran, Trump used to put out VIDEOS bitching about how Obama was going to go to war with Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Quote In the five days prior to launching a strike that killed Iran’s most important military leader, Donald Trump roamed the halls of Mar-a-Lago, his private resort in Florida, and started dropping hints to close associates and club-goers that something huge was coming. Wasn't the embassy attack only three days ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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outsida Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Where’s Tulsi “Regime change war” Gabbard now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 Can't wait to America to start war crimes and torture for freedom! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MarSolo Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Guys, you’re the missing the important part here. Ain’t none of our allies are having our back, so we’ll be back to eating freedom fries and freedom toast again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: I shouldn't be surprised but they're just blatantly lying now huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted January 4, 2020 Author Share Posted January 4, 2020 Looks like Donald brought Iraq together... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/04/huge-crowds-expected-in-baghdad-for-funeral-of-iranian-general-killed-by-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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