Jason Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 2 hours ago, MarSolo said: Let's not pretend Trump won't fold like one of his cheap suits. War is coming unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 13 hours ago, mclumber1 said: Limited drone strikes could result in retaliation by Iran - like they would no shit start sinking oil tankers in the gulf and blocking the straights to not allow passage through. Trump doesn't strike me (ha) as a thinking-about-the-consequences-of-his-actions type of guy though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 lol, this is the extent of what the Democrats are going to offer up in opposition to this?! Yeah, this is Iraq 2002-03 all over again. My God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Quote “The people demand human rights!” the young boy can be seen shouting through a megaphone. Here’s the problem: Demanding human rights in Saudi Arabia lands you in prison. Even if you’re a kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Iran threatens to increase enriched uranium stockpile beyond limits set by nuclear dealhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/06/17/iran-threatens-increase-enriched-uranium-stockpile-beyond-limits-set-by-nuclear-deal-days/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Iran threatens to increase enriched uranium stockpile beyond limits set by nuclear dealhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/06/17/iran-threatens-increase-enriched-uranium-stockpile-beyond-limits-set-by-nuclear-deal-days/ There isn't a nuclear deal so there isn't a limit to go beyond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: There isn't a nuclear deal so there isn't a limit to go beyond. The shart of the deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: There isn't a nuclear deal so there isn't a limit to go beyond. Thanks Obama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Is that a former Fox News bimbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 We should have executed every proponent of the Iraq war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Jesus, that might be worse than what Schiff says. This party is trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-commander-downed-drone-a-message-to-us/ar-AAD98Sr?ocid=AMZN Quote The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard says the shooting down of a U.S. drone has sent "a clear message" to America. Gen. Hossein Salami said also says that Iran does "not have any intention for war with any country, but we are ready for war." His speech was carried live on Iranian state television on Thursday, shortly after U.S. and Iranian officials acknowledged the shooting down of the drone. The Guard says it shot down the American drone over Iranian airspace, while U.S. officials told The Associated Press the downing happened over international airspace in the Strait of Hormuz. The different accounts could not be immediately reconciled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Thousands are going to die because Republicans are terrible people and Democrats are too cowardly to stand up to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Iran shoots down US drone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/iran-claims-us-drone-shot-down-missile-strike-saudi-arabia-trump-yemen Iran says it was in their airspace, map makes it look like it was. WohOh, get ready for war young men and women, ya gonna die for "the cause". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 So let's assume that this happens. How does it play out? Obviously the US is not prepared for long-term ground involvement (doesn't even have troops in position), would it just be a bunch of airstrikes? And how does Iran stack up against Iraq 2003 in terms of ability to do damage to US forces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Iran shoots down US drone??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jason said: But it was just under HALF of America that made a much, much, bigger mistake back in 2016! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Interestingly, Biden has been more forceful than Democratic leadership on Trump's position. Quote He added, "By walking away from diplomacy, Trump has made military conflict more likely. Another war in the Middle East is the last thing we need." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, CitizenVectron said: So let's assume that this happens. How does it play out? Obviously the US is not prepared for long-term ground involvement (doesn't even have troops in position), would it just be a bunch of airstrikes? And how does Iran stack up against Iraq 2003 in terms of ability to do damage to US forces? Depends how far it goes, unlike most countries we bomb, Iran can fight back. Ground war is unlikely unless Iran pushes into Iraq. The US would do airstrikes, then brace for impact waiting for the Iranian counter attack. The US 5th Fleet would have to withdraw from the Gulf since Iranian antiship missiles can be fired from the coast and if the Strait is mined, the Fleet, including a Carrier Strike Group, could be cut off. Once out the Fleet would have to fight it's way back in, clearing mines (a capability the US has neglected thanks to LCS), fighting off fast attack suicide boats, and wishing it has lasers to shoot down antiship missiles. If I'm Iran, my goal is simple, kill a Carrier. Iran can also counter asymmetrically using proxies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Depends how far it goes, unlike most countries we bomb, Iran can fight back. Ground war is unlikely unless Iran pushes into Iraq. The US would do airstrikes, then brace for impact waiting for the Iranian counter attack. The US 5th Fleet would have to withdraw from the Gulf since Iranian antiship missiles can be fired from the coast and if the Strait is mined, the Fleet, including a Carrier Strike Group, could be cut off. Once out the Fleet would have to fight it's way back in, clearing mines (a capability the US has neglected thanks to LCS), fighting off fast attack suicide boats, and wishing it has lasers to shoot down antiship missiles. If I'm Iran, my goal is simple, kill a Carrier. Iran can also counter asymmetrically using proxies. And the thing is you don't need to sink a carrier to kill it. Immobilizing a carrier effectively makes it dead in the water, because if you can't get wind speed across the flight deck, you can't launch airplanes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: And the thing is you don't need to sink a carrier to kill it. Immobilizing a carrier effectively makes it dead in the water, because if you can't get wind speed across the flight deck, you can't launch airplanes. That's because of magnets. If we had steam like our grandfathers, the wind would be great. But in all seriousness, can you imagine the hit to US reputation if a carrier was sunk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I'm just seeing headlines since the volume is down, but Trump was just talking to the press, and he said it would have been a big difference in the drone was manned and "you'll soon find out" if US plans to strike Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 He said said he finds it hard to believe it was intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 The problem is Trump is irrational and he has people like Bolton whispering in one ear, and Tucker Carlson whispering in the other. Both are crazy, and giving bad advice to the President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 It was foolish but he finds it hard to believe it was intentional because it "could have been someone that is loose and stupid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I can see the immobilization of a carrier literally going nuclear under Trump. It would be a massive embarrassment for him (as this escalation is his policy) and he is as thin skinned as they come, and I think the joint chiefs (and hell, a good portion of the population) would demand retribution of some kind. I don't think it's particularly likely, but I can see the scenario happening under a Trump type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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