b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 36 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Barr gave Trump a copy and he's been busy line item vetoing everything mean Mueller said about him. Or can use that to claim executive privilege on the entirety of the report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Jason said: Oh honey, maybe Trump will finally love you if you change your name to Ronna McDonalds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Bathed in something golden, again, huh? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: It's really bad then, isn't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Subway? Ew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Yeah, there are all these reports that the Mueller report is a nothing burger... but if it is, why isn't Donald trump strutting around like a gloating cock-sure rooster... dunking and tea-bagging everyone? His silence has been deafening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Fox News hosts were literally wishing each other Happy No Collusion Day on Friday. I want a damning Mueller report just so we can sing a retort of "It's beginning to look a lot like 'clusion" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Yeah, if the DoJ is doing things right no one outside of the people working on it should know anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: Yeah, if the DoJ is doing things right no one outside of the people working on it should know anything. It is my understanding that Trump calling up Barr and asking for a copy is one of those "legal, but traditionally unthinkable" things because at the end of the day the DoJ is part of the Executive Branch. In fact, the WH has been so outspoken about using privilege broadly I am not sure how they plan to use it if Barr sends his summary to Congress before Trump goes over it. Maybe Barr has been informed to er heavily on the side of caution on anything he might think Trump might claim privilege on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 If the report doesn’t recommend any more indictments I’m wondering how bad it could be for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: If the report doesn’t recommend any more indictments I’m wondering how bad it could be for Trump. They could have a bunch of stuff they couldn't quite reach "beyond a reasonable doubt on", for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, Jason said: They could have a bunch of stuff they couldn't quite reach "beyond a reasonable doubt on", for example. There could also be a "if he weren't the president, I had enough to indict him" moment, but it's likely Mueller would see such a statement or intimation as too political to state. I am already wondering if that will be the central question posed to him if the Dems bring him in front of the House. As I think I said before, when you accept that Mueller was never going to indict Trump anyway, no more indictments doesn't really tell you much. No indictments for the kids is frustrating, but I suspect they aren't really out of the woods yet because SDNY is the one looking into all kinds of Trump org stuff. It probably means Jr. is legally off the hook for an actual crime related to the Trump Tower meeting. But it always sounded tenuous to me that alone constituted a crime. With Mueller closing up shop it will be even more important for Dems to start making the case that things like that meeting, while perhaps not strictly illegal, is monumentally wrong. There are so many possible details that, whatever the outcome, it will be great to finally get clarity on. For example, what the happy hell was the full story about Cohen and Prague? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Hmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, osxmatt said: Hmmmmm. But I thought the Witch Hunt by the Heavily Conflicted Mueller and the Angry Democrats totally cleared the President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Jason said: But I thought the Witch Hunt by the Heavily Conflicted Mueller and the Angry Democrats totally cleared the President? Thank you! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jason said: But I thought the Witch Hunt by the Heavily Conflicted Mueller and the Angry Democrats totally cleared the President? No chaos, only great energy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazatron Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Hmmmmm. Stahp, I've already accepted my nothingberder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I'm most interested to see how accurate emptywheel has been the past year. She's offered a remarkable level of detail about the genesis of Trump + Russia, with Trump agreeing in principle to acquire loans through sanctioned banks VTB and GenBank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Anyone taking bets on the time this drops? 2pm PDT / 5pm EDT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, osxmatt said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just now, osxmatt said: Anyone taking bets on the time this drops? 2pm PDT / 5pm EDT? Also important is how it will be disseminated. Barr is sending this to Congress, but that leaves open a lot of questions as to what that means for the public. Will Barr release a(probably more redacted) version of the same document as he did with his announcement letter on Friday? Will someone in Congress leak it, or be allowed to release it in it's entirety? Or will they simply be allowed to give interviews where they characterize the findings? Or will it be deemed so sensitive they aren't even allowed to do that? I think we mostly assume it will be somewhere in the middle of those possibilities, but I don't think we know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Yeah, notice they are going to get the Barr "letter". It would be very interesting to know Barr's mindset here. Is he entirely bought into transparency? Is he totally in Trump's pocket? Somewhere in between? Barr can slow roll the results, but it's likely if he tries to hide too much that'll just make it all the sooner we'll see Mueller in front of the House. I have to imagine there is an understanding between Mueller and Barr. The more Barr might try to hide things Mueller considers material, the more Mueller will feel compelled to cooperate with the House. And his cooperation could make a huge difference on what he shares or does not share with the House. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Amazatron Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 pages to say absolutely nothing, impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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