SaysWho? Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/ny-ent-jar-jar-binks-actor-considered-suicide-after-star-wars-backlash-20180703-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Goddamn, if your skin is that thin, you're probably not ready to be in movies. If you star in a fucking commercial for a toothpaste you'd better be ready for death threats. That's just how some shitty and/or crazy people are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 If you do anything, the expectation shouldn't be death threats. We can't continue to tell people to suck it up and just brush off bad people. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Hating a character, sure. Hating the actor when most people, myself included, couldn’t pick out this guy in a crowd, that’s bad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Goddamn, if your skin is that thin, you're probably not ready to be in movies. If you star in a fucking commercial for a toothpaste you'd better be ready for death threats. That's just how some shitty and/or crazy people are. This is goddamned bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for writing it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 34 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: If you do anything, the expectation shouldn't be death threats. We can't continue to tell people to suck it up and just brush off bad people. The expectation shouldn't be death threats. Obviously. But that's how it is. That's how it has been, and that's how it's going to continue to be. It's not that he should just "suck it up," it's that someone should've prepped him that this is exactly the kind of bullshit you can expect in the industry. Unless someone has a good fucking plan to deal with anonymous crazy people. 3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: This is goddamned bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for writing it. If you say so. Again, if anyone ever comes up with a fucking solution, lemme know. You're not going to talk sense into crazy people, and crazy people are the ones who are obsessed enough to give death threats most of the time. Ergo, this is an expected part of the business and no amount of "It shouldn't be like this!" is going to fucking fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: This is goddamned bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for writing it. It's the victim's fault, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Hating a character, sure. Hating the actor when most people, myself included, couldn’t pick out this guy in a crowd, that’s bad! What happened with Kelly Marie Tran shouldn't have happened either just because some people didn't like her character. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 They should bring back Jar Jar for Star Wars 9 so he can redeem himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 26 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: What happened with Kelly Marie Tran shouldn't have happened either just because some people didn't like her character. yup, that situation was just shitty! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Xbob42 said: The expectation shouldn't be death threats. Obviously. But that's how it is. That's how it has been, and that's how it's going to continue to be. It's not that he should just "suck it up," it's that someone should've prepped him that this is exactly the kind of bullshit you can expect in the industry. Unless someone has a good fucking plan to deal with anonymous crazy people. If you say so. Again, if anyone ever comes up with a fucking solution, lemme know. You're not going to talk sense into crazy people, and crazy people are the ones who are obsessed enough to give death threats most of the time. Ergo, this is an expected part of the business and no amount of "It shouldn't be like this!" is going to fucking fix it. There's a very easy solution. Just start banning these shitty people from social media. There's a difference between shitting in a character in a movie and shitting on the movie. If Facebook and Twitter made it easy to just report and get these people off the, this wouldn't be such a problem. The issue is that neither company really wants to do anything about it and will normally just play lip service to the toxicity. Twitter is, by far, the worst in this aspect. If you can't dislike something without harassing people and making death threats, maybe you just shouldn't be allowed to interact with your fellow humans online. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Xbob isn't wrong though, well some of what he said. Didn't some actors in a cheerios commercial get death threats because they were a mixed race couple in the commercial? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Xbob isn't wrong though, well some of what he said. Didn't some actors in a cheerios commercial get death threats because they were a mixed race couple in the commercial? Yup that was dumb also and it was a good commercial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 The prequels have destroyed so many lives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Xbob42 said: The expectation shouldn't be death threats. Obviously. But that's how it is. That's how it has been, and that's how it's going to continue to be. It's not that he should just "suck it up," it's that someone should've prepped him that this is exactly the kind of bullshit you can expect in the industry. Unless someone has a good fucking plan to deal with anonymous crazy people. If you say so. Again, if anyone ever comes up with a fucking solution, lemme know. You're not going to talk sense into crazy people, and crazy people are the ones who are obsessed enough to give death threats most of the time. Ergo, this is an expected part of the business and no amount of "It shouldn't be like this!" is going to fucking fix it. Well a start would be not having a defeatist attitude because that is part of the problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusideabelincoln Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 It wasn't his fault the character was bad. All blame goes to Lucas there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 22 hours ago, DPCyric said: Well a start would be not having a defeatist attitude because that is part of the problem. Good, that's step 0, what's step 1? Banning people from social media would solve a portion of this... sort of. You can just make more accounts. But even if you had an effective, 100% ban, the death threats that really get to people are the more serious shit, likely what this guy got. 20 years ago he wasn't getting harassed via Twitter or Facebook. He was likely getting death threat calls and physical mail. Possibly people showing up at his house. You will never stop all crazy people. The idea that that's a defeatist attitude is silly. Obviously you can curb it to an extent, but I consider it highly irresponsible for anyone letting another star in a gig like this where you're going to be featured very prominently to not prep and train the person in question on how people can be fucking lunatics. That's not "it's the victim's fault" -- that's a bullshit, dismissive argument. There's the way the world should be, and the way the world is. You can be aware of how the world should be, but you should still live your life based on how the world is. Because all the justice and after-the-fact handling of any situation can't undo what actually happens. We can't un-kill people. So black people train their kids on how to interact with cops, even though they shouldn't have to. Parents teach their daughters to be careful what they wear in certain areas and where to avoid at night, even though they shouldn't have to. It's good to want to make reality better, but reality will steamroll you whether you think it should be better or not. I mean, I don't literally think this will never cease to be an issue. If we can work on our mental health issues in this nation, if we can make sure people understand respect and how to not be a deranged lunatic, if we can get exceptional protections against this kind of behavior, you could make a real dent in it. But right now? If you're any kind of famous at all, you need to learn how to deal with it or you could end up actually killing yourself rather than almost doing it like this guy did. Although I think specifically agencies/individual agents should always be keeping their clients informed. Studios, too. I can see this easily blindsiding people like Ahmed here. Of course it would be wonderful if he never had to deal with that. No sane person thinks harassment or threats to people is some kind of acceptable behavior. But I'd rather have these people prepped for reality than living in an ideal world that doesn't yet exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 It wouldn't have been suicide, it would have been manslaughter by George Lucas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I think it's also reductionist to blame this all on "crazy people," as if these kinds of issues arise only from some tiny population of clinically insane people. I would guess that most of it comes from otherwise "normal" people. I think the problems are the result of people basing their identity on media properties. When someone makes a bad movie (or even a good one that makes choices you disagree with), it feels like a personal attack on these people because they've decided that these media properties define them. Some companies work hard to make people feel that way, but somehow as a culture we need to be better at preventing that. The other part of it is an unnecessary and destructive differentiation in empathy when using different modes of communication. No one should feel comfortable harassing or threatening people just because it's done over the phone or the mail or the internet. I'm sure that there's a plethora of reasons that these kinds of interactions are so different than "normal" conversations, but I think we need to do better at bringing more civility into our online discourse. It shouldn't be any more acceptable to berate someone on twitter or facebook or in freaking twitch chat than it would be to do it in person. As so much more of our everyday conversations migrate to these public platforms, we need to do better at framing all those conversations as normal and have similar expectations of what conduct is acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Star Wars fans are the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 3 hours ago, Xbob42 said: Good, that's step 0, what's step 1? Banning people from social media would solve a portion of this... sort of. You can just make more accounts. But even if you had an effective, 100% ban, the death threats that really get to people are the more serious shit, likely what this guy got. 20 years ago he wasn't getting harassed via Twitter or Facebook. He was likely getting death threat calls and physical mail. Possibly people showing up at his house. You will never stop all crazy people. The idea that that's a defeatist attitude is silly. Obviously you can curb it to an extent, but I consider it highly irresponsible for anyone letting another star in a gig like this where you're going to be featured very prominently to not prep and train the person in question on how people can be fucking lunatics. That's not "it's the victim's fault" -- that's a bullshit, dismissive argument. There's the way the world should be, and the way the world is. You can be aware of how the world should be, but you should still live your life based on how the world is. Because all the justice and after-the-fact handling of any situation can't undo what actually happens. We can't un-kill people. So black people train their kids on how to interact with cops, even though they shouldn't have to. Parents teach their daughters to be careful what they wear in certain areas and where to avoid at night, even though they shouldn't have to. It's good to want to make reality better, but reality will steamroll you whether you think it should be better or not. I mean, I don't literally think this will never cease to be an issue. If we can work on our mental health issues in this nation, if we can make sure people understand respect and how to not be a deranged lunatic, if we can get exceptional protections against this kind of behavior, you could make a real dent in it. But right now? If you're any kind of famous at all, you need to learn how to deal with it or you could end up actually killing yourself rather than almost doing it like this guy did. Although I think specifically agencies/individual agents should always be keeping their clients informed. Studios, too. I can see this easily blindsiding people like Ahmed here. Of course it would be wonderful if he never had to deal with that. No sane person thinks harassment or threats to people is some kind of acceptable behavior. But I'd rather have these people prepped for reality than living in an ideal world that doesn't yet exist. Maybe we should strip away more of the anonymity the internet provides? There definitely should be harsher punishments for bullying and people being abusive in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacon Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 51 minutes ago, DPCyric said: Maybe we should strip away more of the anonymity the internet provides? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Phantom Menace released in 99. Facebook launched in 2004. Social media as we know it now did not exist so you can't blame this guys torture on social media. I think the first part of this conversation - We all here agree that anyone who makes death threats or anything of the kind is a bad person. That being said, I think most of us would also agree that Jar Jar is a historically bad film character and anyone involved deserved the bad reviews and bad press that naturally comes with the job of actors. This is where I would agree with Xbob in part. If you create something and put it out for consumption - you need to expect feedback. Some will love it and some will hate it. Your life can be changed for good or bad by either fans or haters. If you aren't ready for fame then you should avoid Star Wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Well when did MySpace exsist. I get it we all hated Jar Jar and how racist a charactor he was. However the charactor was cg the whole time in the movie and his live action performances where painted out. I'm glad he didn't kill himself many other actors have killed themselves over as much or less. An example of one is Jonathan Brandis in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
number305 Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rodimus said: Well when did MySpace exsist. I get it we all hated Jar Jar and how racist a charactor he was. However the charactor was cg the whole time in the movie and his live action performances where painted out. I'm glad he didn't kill himself many other actors have killed themselves over as much or less. An example of one is Jonathan Brandis in 2003. Social media was not then what it is now. There may have been something in some form out there - but it wasn't the same as today. I think everyone is glad the dude didn't kill himself. No one wants anyone to commit suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 Stuff went viral back then; it just had to do so via message boards and e-mail and chat rooms (chain mail was more frequently used to spread fake news instead of FB/Twitter memes now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 Xbob just reminded me of the ignore feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodimus Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, number305 said: Social media was not then what it is now. There may have been something in some form out there - but it wasn't the same as today. I think everyone is glad the dude didn't kill himself. No one wants anyone to commit suicide. It seems Jar Jar was having issues with the media not social media attacking him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALIEN-gunner Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 On July 4, 2018 at 7:21 AM, Remarkableriots said: What happened with Kelly Marie Tran shouldn't have happened either just because some people didn't like her character. What situation? Where she left social media for no apparent reason and some dipshit sock account user claimed it was because of harassment blowing it out of proportion? She left apparently for no reason. Nobody knows because nobody fucking asked her. Instead someone pulled up a reason from their asshole and the Star Wars shill media ran with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, ALIEN-gunner said: What situation? Where she left social media for no apparent reason and some dipshit sock account user claimed it was because of harassment blowing it out of proportion? She left apparently for no reason. Nobody knows because nobody fucking asked her. Instead someone pulled up a reason from their asshole and the Star Wars shill media ran with it. Rian Johnson’s tweets about the situation make it pretty clear why she deleted her Instagram presence. Bury your head in the sand if wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 This isn't quite the same thing, but it's been kinda funny to watch. After Rian Johnson tweeted that out, thousands of people started following Chis McQuarrie (who had nothing to do with TLK or Star Wars) and they've been bringing him into fights about TLJ and doing a lot of arguing about their right to yell at content creators. You can see a bunch of it in his feed, and it's almost entertaining, but also quite sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 It’s all the nicest people . Chris McQ gives lots of helpful filmmaking advice on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 hour ago, sblfilms said: It’s all the nicest people . Chris McQ gives lots of helpful filmmaking advice on Twitter. Bahahaha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALIEN-gunner Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 2 hours ago, sblfilms said: Rian Johnson’s tweets about the situation make it pretty clear why she deleted her Instagram presence. Bury your head in the sand if wish. Rian "Round-Head" Johnson's tweets are based on the same fabricated lie. Keep up please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2018 Share Posted July 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ALIEN-gunner said: Rian "Round-Head" Johnson's tweets are based on the same fabricated lie. Keep up please. And one more to the ignore list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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