SaysWho? Posted February 15, 2019 Author Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Most likely in favor of Trump if the Muslim ban is any indication. There are two points that would probably decide the thing..... 1. They decided the Muslim ban by accepting the pretextual justification from the Trump administration while ignoring substantial past comments on the grounds that as long as the order itself had a legally defensible effect it was ok. On its face, this sounds a hell of a lot like the judgement they are going to have to make here. 2. However, since there seems to be legitimate worry on the Right about what this precedent would mean longterm, SCOTUS may find some technicality to rule that the "take the pres at his word and respect his authoritah" applied to one but not the other. They don't need a technicality congress just passed a law restricting his ability to build a wall, he can't go around congress, the implications of such a ruling would basically make our entire government null and void, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: This makes sense. All congressional districts that run along the southern border seat Democrats, and the only one that doesn't, Will Hurd, says his district doesn't want a border wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 He still hasn't signed it, theres still time for him to take the blame for another shut down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, PaladinSolo said: He still hasn't signed it, theres still time for him to take the blame for another shut down. he probably walked away without knowing again and people are just giving up trying to bring him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 He should just not sign it so it passes auto magically and causes a shutdown at the same time lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: He should just not sign it so it passes auto magically and causes a shutdown at the same time lol What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 He signed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: What? covfefe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: What? If he doesn't sign a bill, it automatically passes after X amount of time, but because the deadline to avoid the shutdown is looming, the gov would still get shutdown until it auto passes because he didn't sign. So he could have not signed, not passed it himself, yet caused a shutdown and passed it at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: Coulter and Maher are gonna have such violent hate sex the next time she's on the show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: If he doesn't sign a bill, it automatically passes after X amount of time, but because the deadline to avoid the shutdown is looming, the gov would still get shutdown until it auto passes because he didn't sign. So he could have not signed, not passed it himself, yet caused a shutdown and passed it at the same time I'm not aware of any provision that a bill automatically goes into effect without a signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: Coulter and Maher are gonna have such violent hate sex the next time she's on the show. She is totally pegging him right now as she writes those tweets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm not aware of any provision that a bill automatically goes into effect without a signature. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of pocket vetos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just now, Jason said: In fact, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of pocket vetos. That's where I'm at as well - which is pretty much the opposite of what he thinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 So if a President refuses to sign a bill, then it is effectively a veto. So if Congress then passes it with a veto-proof majority, does the President still have to sign it? Or does it become law immediately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So if a President refuses to sign a bill, then it is effectively a veto. So if Congress then passes it with a veto-proof majority, does the President still have to sign it? Or does it become law immediately? The veto has to be specifically overridden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 32 minutes ago, Jason said: In fact, I'm pretty sure he's thinking of pocket vetos. 41 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: If he doesn't sign a bill, it automatically passes after X amount of time, but because the deadline to avoid the shutdown is looming, the gov would still get shutdown until it auto passes because he didn't sign. So he could have not signed, not passed it himself, yet caused a shutdown and passed it at the same time Apologies to @2user1cup - he's correct. The Constitution grants the president 10 days to review a measure passed by the Congress. If the president has not signed the bill after 10 days, it becomes law without his signature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: So if a President refuses to sign a bill, then it is effectively a veto. So if Congress then passes it with a veto-proof majority, does the President still have to sign it? Or does it become law immediately? Actually, that's only the case with a "pocket veto": A pocket veto occurs when a bill fails to become law because the president does not sign the bill and cannot return the bill to Congress within a 10-day period because Congress is not in session. If a President refuses to sign a bill while Congress is in session, then it automatically becomes law after 10 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: Apologies to @2user1cup - he's correct. The Constitution grants the president 10 days to review a measure passed by the Congress. If the president has not signed the bill after 10 days, it becomes law without his signature. Looking it up again, I think Congress has to be adjourned for it to be a pocket veto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Just now, Jason said: Looking it up again, I think Congress has to be adjourned for it to be a pocket veto. That's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Schrödinger's Veto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Yeah, the president has to actively Veto to stop a passed bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Yeah, the president has to actively Veto to stop a passed bill. Not if Congress is out of session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 34 minutes ago, Jason said: Not if Congress is out of session. When was the last time Congress went out of session? Isn't that when the president can do the whole recess appointment nonsense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: When was the last time Congress went out of session? Isn't that when the president can do the whole recess appointment nonsense? They have several short breaks and I think two long breaks in summer and winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Congress having breaks has nothing to do with what would happen in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Congress having breaks has nothing to do with what would happen in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Congress having breaks has nothing to do with what would happen in this case Article 1, section 7. Were the congress to be on break during the time the passed bill hit its 10th day, and the president hadn’t signed it, it doesn’t become law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 My favorite 2 minutes from today’s ... whatever it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 Suck it Kentucky! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted February 17, 2019 Author Share Posted February 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Suck it Kentucky! Hurting a Republican state to own the libs. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 You know what would really own us libs? If every Republican just literally shot themselves in face. And none of this declaring themselves as an Independant to get out of it. If you voted Republican, shoot yourself in the face to show to own the libs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted February 17, 2019 Share Posted February 17, 2019 3 hours ago, SaysWho? said: Hurting a Republican state to own the libs. The good news is they’ll still vote for McConnell, it doesn’t matter if policies hurt them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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