Stickey Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Factually speaking, feelings are emotions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Eels are not bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Dem feels yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Eels are not bears. Which bear is best!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 On 12/16/2018 at 1:01 AM, kittykat said: Feelings are not facts Tell that to Lion Franco. Please I beg you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Biggie said: Tell that to Lion Franco. Please I beg you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 A "feeling" -- much like an "opinion" -- is a "fact" to the individual experiencing it so it's effectively a distinction without a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: A "feeling" -- much like an "opinion" -- is a "fact" to the individual experiencing it so it's effectively a distinction without a difference. WRONG!! Facts lay outside of opinions and feelings. Both of those can be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: WRONG!! Facts lay outside of opinions and feelings. Both of those can be wrong. There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" - only our subjective perception/interpretation of existence itself which therefore colors "facts", "opinions", and "feelings". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 45 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" - only our subjective perception/interpretation of existence itself which therefore colors "facts", "opinions", and "feelings". The earth revolving around the sun is not subjective. Regardless of conscious beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: The earth revolving around the sun is not subjective. Regardless of conscious beings. The concepts of "revolving" and "around" are subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: The concept of "revolving" is subjective. The concept is, but what it describes is not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: The concept is, but what it describes is not Is there truly a separation between a concept and the thing described by that concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: Is there truly a separation between a concept and the thing described by that concept? Yes the concept is just the language we use to explain the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: Yes the concept is just the language we use to explain the thing. Does language provide am adequate methodology for describing the concept and does the concept exist in the absence of language? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Does language provide am adequate methodology for describing the concept and does the concept exist in the absence of language? yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 There are vast quantities of matter that exist in our Universe that exists regardless of an observer, we are only made aware of it through consciousness. However, consciousness is not the reason for the fact that it exists. In other words, The world doesn't revolve around you, Wade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: There are vast quantities of matter that exist in our Universe that exists regardless of an observer, we are only made aware of it through consciousness. However, consciousness is not the reason for the fact that it exists. In other words, The world doesn't revolve around you, Wade! I have no evidence that the universe exists outside of my own conscious perception that it does. Ergo, the universe does revolve around me because if I didn't exist, I have no evidence that anything else does either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I have no evidence that the universe exists outside of my own conscious perception that it does. Ergo, the universe does revolve around me because if I didn't exist, I have no evidence that anything else does either. billions of sperm that failed to produce an offspring from your parents, and therefore their existence doesn't exist, does not mean that we don't exist. The world still exists regardless if you are a part of it. And It will continue without you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I make in my pants!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 One of the reasons robotics is so challenging is because thus far we've only been able to develop AI that has extremely limited means to develop effective concepts and models of the world. The cost of that limitation is current robots utterly fail to be even remotely as capable as humans. Their life is a sad one filled with constant disappointment in reality not turning out as expected and working the field is a constant reminder of the stark difference between beliefs and the actualities of the universe. No, they're not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 26 minutes ago, legend said: One of the reasons robotics is so challenging is because thus far we've only been able to develop AI that has extremely limited means to develop effective concepts and models of the world. The cost of that limitation is current robots utterly fail to be even remotely as capable as humans. Their life is a sad one filled with constant disappointment in reality not turning out as expected and working the field is a constant reminder of the stark difference between beliefs and the actualities of the universe. No, they're not the same. 5 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" - only our subjective perception/interpretation of existence itself which therefore colors "facts", "opinions", and "feelings". They are all the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 @sexy_shapiro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 17 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: There is no such thing as "right" or "wrong" - only our subjective perception/interpretation of existence itself which therefore colors "facts", "opinions", and "feelings". You're making a lot of propositional claims about the nature of reality in this thread. Do you think those claims are "true?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 57 minutes ago, Rev said: You're making a lot of propositional claims about the nature of reality in this thread. Do you think those claims are "true?" Not in the least! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 "I like to make propositional claims to sound smart but I don't think they're true!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Rev said: "I like to make propositional claims to sound smart but I don't think they're true!" I don't think they're "true" because I doubt the existence of "truth". Ergo, I'm fully cognizant of the reality that they could not be "true" in the reality of another individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 17 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Does language provide am adequate methodology for describing the concept and does the concept exist in the absence of language? This post brought to you by, 'College Freshman Reads Wittgenstein For The First Time' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 If you think everything is subjective, then it's intrinsically incoherent to argue with anyone about anything at all. Every proposition you utter is an attempted representation of the objective nature of reality - which you claim to not be able to access. Even the claim "everything is subjective" is a representation of objective reality which is either true or false and which you can't make without having that access. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Rev said: If you think everything is subjective, then it's intrinsically incoherent to argue with anyone about anything at all. Every proposition you utter is an attempted representation of the objective nature of reality - which you claim to not be able to access. Even the claim "everything is subjective" is a representation of objective reality which is either true or false and which you can't make without having that access. No, it's a attempted representation of the subjective nature of reality, which may or may not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: I don't think they're "true" because I doubt the existence of "truth". Ergo, I'm fully cognizant of the reality that they could not be "true" in the reality of another individual. No, they actually couldn't "not be true." For something to not be true, it has to be "true" that they're not true. Once you establish the premise that truth doesn't exist, you can't say things are untrue either. You cannot make any propositional claims about the nature of reality at all. Please read more about epistemology before you talk about this kind of thing authoritatively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: No, it's a attempted representation of the subjective nature of reality, which may or may not exist. To say that the subjective nature of reality may or may not exist is to say that it may be true that the subjective nature of reality exists. But you've already established that you believe truth does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rev said: To say that the subjective nature of reality may or may not exist is to say that it may be true that the subjective nature of reality exists. But you've already established that you believe truth does not exist. Exactly - I have no idea if it exists or not because it's all subjective. But I err on the side of there being no singular objective truth because of that subjectivity. But I could be wrong because it's all subjective anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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