johnny Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Rev said: Believe it or not, some people in marginalized groups are super offended by this idea that they should just be listened to. They want to be challenged when they're wrong. They don't want to just be listened to and agreed with. Shocking I know. I think the bigger issue is that most of America are not intellectuals who are willing to actually listen, REALLY listen, to the opinions of others and be open to changing their views on things. Sometimes you need to shut up and listen instead of yelling out your opinion. If you can’t listen with an open mind then you can’t have an engaging productive conversation about these things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, johnny said: I think the bigger issue is that most of America are not intellectuals who are willing to actually listen, REALLY listen, to the opinions of others and be open to changing their views on things. Sometimes you need to shut up and listen instead of yelling out your opinion. If you can’t listen with an open mind then you can’t have an engaging productive conversation about these things. Well yeah, I can't refute an argument if I don't listen to all of it. That's not what's being advocated or what I'm arguing against here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm just letting everyone know that in any discussion with me that I will NEVER call you out on any of that "logical fallacy" stuff because I seriously don't give a damn about it. In fact, if you DON'T use it on me, I'm gonna wonder exactly what the hell is wrong with you! I honestly can’t think of a real world situation calling someone out for a logical fallacy helps a person’s argument. That nonsense has no place outside of sexist YouTube videos and academic masturbation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rev said: Well yeah, I can't refute an argument if I don't listen to all of it. That's not what's being advocated or what I'm arguing against here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm just letting everyone know that in any discussion with me that I will NEVER call you out on any of that "logical fallacy" stuff because I seriously don't give a damn about it. In fact, if you DON'T use it on me, I'm gonna wonder exactly what the hell is wrong with you! If it advances your case and maneuvers you into a "win", knock yourself out, dawg! I wouldn’t call it going for a “win” but rather a greater form of intellectual honesty. Fyi, I just knocked myself out, dawg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I honestly can’t think of a real world situation calling someone out for a logical fallacy helps a person’s argument. That nonsense has no place outside of sexist YouTube videos and academic masturbation Do you think logic is valuable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, RedSoxFan9 said: I honestly can’t think And that’s where it all started, and also where it ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Paperclyp said: Do you think logic is valuable? Facts don’t matter. Emotion is everything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Paperclyp said: Do you think logic is valuable? Sometimes but usually not 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: Sometimes but usually not OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Sometimes but usually not Are you serious right now or are you trolling? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: Are you serious right now or are you trolling? When you use logic it has no value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: When you use logic it has no value Ok, definitely trolling. Please elaborate on why logic has no value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: Ok, definitely trolling. Please elaborate on why logic has no value. He won't, and is not to be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: Because the existence of both of them is largely in the "eye of the beholder", neither can make a claim to being "real" in any objective sense (not that such a thing even exists to begin with ) Having said that, I subjectively consider "fairness" to be "more real" than "rights" because the correction of a real or perceived disparity represents a more "tangible" notion (such as it is) than what I consider to be the quasi-metaphysical concept of rights. Rights are just as real by that logic. You've lost all your footing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 25 minutes ago, legend said: Rights are just as real by that logic. You've lost all your footing here. Hence my first sentence where I reject the entire premise of either being "real" to begin with. But as I was asked to make a choice, I did so according to my own internal worldview of which is the "more real" of two "unreal" choices. As such, there was never any "footing" to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Hence my first sentence where I reject the entire premise of either being "real" to begin with. But as I was asked to make a choice, I did so according to my own internal worldview of which is the "more real" of two "unreal" choices. As such, there was never any "footing" to begin with. It's unfortunate you see no problem with holding arbitrary inconsistent views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, legend said: It's unfortunate you see no problem with holding arbitrary inconsistent views. On the contrary, it's actually quite transcendent and liberating! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: On the contrary, it's actually quite transcendent and liberating! No it’s a “fuck you, I win no matter what” position to hold, and one that is disingenuous and and subject to irrational and illogical positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: No it’s a “fuck you, I win no matter what” position to hold... I'm not seeing the problem here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, SFLUFAN said: I'm not seeing the problem here! I am not surprised 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: On the contrary, it's actually quite transcendent and liberating! Well, it will have impacts on you personally too, but mostly I just meant for all of us The more people that don't care the worse. We all infect each other to our detriment or success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Facts are dependent on my emotions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Also, when the robots come, just remember that you all left with me with little choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, Boyle5150 said: Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Facts are dependent on my emotions All of that is subjectively accurate! Just now, legend said: Also, when the robots come, just remember that you all left with me with little choice There never was a choice to begin with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 11 hours ago, Bloodporne said: You should've called me a Nazi, it was right there for the taking! I did nazi that coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: All of that is subjectively accurate! Sounds like you believe that the holocaust was subjectively a good thing. Or that slavery was selectively a good thing. Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: Sounds like you believe that the holocaust was subjectively a good thing. Or that slavery was selectively a good thing. Intellectual dishonesty at its finest. In theory, I certainly could! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: In theory, I certainly could! In theory you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Whet the fuck is the point of even arguing anymore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Whet the fuck is the point of even arguing anymore? Is that rhetorical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: Is that rhetorical? I guess. Not like there's a satisfactory answer for the nonsense anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Whet the fuck is the point of even arguing anymore? There isn't any point of arguing with people who reject logic and don't care if their positions are consistent. I've just been reading it in amazement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rev said: I've just been reading it in amazement. Glad to be of service! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rev said: There isn't any point of arguing with people who reject logic and don't care if their positions are consistent. I've just been reading it in amazement. The internet provides plenty of opportunities for that. I find other's stances in this thread to be far more troubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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