Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: How can you claim to know that? And what's stopping dodger or anyone else from doing the same? Sorry, but I don't give them a pass. I'm not giving them a pass with their views. I think they hold some abhorrent views, but they only hold those views because of reasons outside of their control. Absolutely everything we do is predicated on prior experiences combined with our IQ and luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 It’s weird how the “not racist” people are obsessed with IQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: I'm not giving them a pass with their views. I think they hold some abhorrent views, but they only hold those views because of reasons outside of their control. Absolutely everything we do is predicated on prior experiences combined with our IQ and luck. And I'm saying I don't agree with that notion to the extent you do. Our experiences can shape us, but we can choose to rise above our most primal instincts and be better people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: and be better people. How about being "best"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Sure, I'd give her platform more credit if she didn't back up her shitty husband and his daily bullying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: And I'm saying I don't agree with that notion to the extent you do. Our experiences can shape us, but we can choose to rise above our most primal instincts and be better people. How is looking down on everyone who doesn't share your political views making you a better person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 11 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: And I'm saying I don't agree with that notion to the extent you do. Our experiences can shape us, but we can choose to rise above our most primal instincts and be better people. If you have an IQ of 80, can you? If you are born with an IQ of 80, do you get to choose to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dodger said: How is looking down on everyone who doesn't share your political views making you a better person? I think what she means is that her values are better. And you can absolutely have better values than someone else. Her political views just tend to align with her values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Dodger said: How is looking down on everyone who doesn't share your political views making you a better person? As I've already stated in this very thread, we're way past the point of disagreeing with each other's political views. I disagreed with peoples' political views before Trump, when the most heated things we had to argue over were tax cuts and health care. Demonizing different racial and ethnic groups, treating them like they're not fully human, is not a political view. It's basic human decency and, yes, I will look down on people all day long who spout hateful, bigoted rhetoric. I will also look down on people who blatantly lie about my integrity as a nurse to score some internet point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: I think what she means is that her values are better. And you can absolutely have better values than someone else. Her political views just tend to align with her values. Sure you can, but when you walk around thinking you are better than everyone who doesn't share your values I question how great your values really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: If you have an IQ of 80, can you? If you are born with an IQ of 80, do you get to choose to do so? Unless you're suggesting Dodger is borderline mentally retarded, I don't see the merit of arguing this point right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Unless you're suggesting Dodger is borderline mentally retarded, I don't see the merit of arguing this point right now. tell me the IQ threshold for when you can make better decisions? (and I am not saying Dodger has a low IQ, but I guarantee that it is lower than yours, at that's neither your choice nor his). Or how about being born into poverty and choosing not to be poor. Is it a simple choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ IQ wasn't your choice, don't worry about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: As I've already stated in this very thread, we're way past the point of disagreeing with each other's political views. I disagreed with peoples' political views before Trump, when the most heated things we had to argue over were tax cuts and health care. Demonizing different racial and ethnic groups, treating them like they're not fully human, is not a political view. It's basic human decency and, yes, I will look down on people all day long who spout hateful, bigoted rhetoric. I will also look down on people who blatantly lie about my integrity as a nurse to score some internet point. Hey remember when you just came in this thread and called me a dishonest twat even though I hadn't mentioned you at all in any reply all of what, 30 minutes ago? Good times. Also, I promise you if 1 million immigrants were sent to Arkansas, you'd eventually have a problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I don’t believe for a second that @CastlevaniaNut18treats anyone differently or gives shitty care to people because they may be watching Fox News. If she ever posted that it was probably because she was venting frustration. We all post crap that in the real world is far from what we actually do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dodger said: Also, I promise you if 1 million immigrants were sent to Arkansas, you'd eventually have a problem with it. I bet she wouldn't if they shared the same values as she did, and shared the same responsibilities, and didn't use up all the resources available to her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Boyle5150 said: I bet she wouldn't if they shared the same values as she did, and shared the same responsibilities And that’s great. But because some people may disagree with that and don’t want people simply walking into our country doesn’t make us bad people or racists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Boyle5150 said: I bet she wouldn't if they shared the same values as she did, and shared the same responsibilities You think each and every single immigrant who comes here does all of that? As someone who spent 35 years in CA, let me assure you that isn't what is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Dodger said: You think each and every single immigrant who comes here does all of that? As someone who spent 35 years in CA, let me assure you that isn't what is happening. I absolutely don't. But that wasn't the question. I'm almost positive she doesn't either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: tell me the IQ threshold for when you can make better decisions? (and I am not saying Dodger has a low IQ, but I guarantee that it is lower than yours, at that's neither your choice nor his). Or how about being born into poverty and choosing not to be poor. Is it a simple choice? I stand by my statements and I don't see the need for these additional arguments. The poverty argument really seems like it's coming out of left field. Just now, Dodger said: Hey remember when you just came in this thread and called me a dishonest twat even though I hadn't mentioned you at all in any reply all of what, 30 minutes ago? Good times. Also, I promise you if 1 million immigrants were sent to Arkansas, you'd eventually have a problem with it. You came into the thread spouting dishonest bullshit, how dare I say you're dishonest! Shocking! Also, Arkansas only has about 3 million people. I'm sure exploding the population overnight would cause some issues, regardless of the origin of those folks. I have absolutely no problem with living among immigrants, some of my neighbors are immigrants. I work with a ton of immigrants. The vast majority of progressives, including myself, realize that this country can't absorb every single immigrant who wants to come here, having open borders, not vetting them, etc.We just believe in not demonizing brown people and blaming them for society's ills and we realize that most of them are good people who are just desperate to escape poverty and violence and want to make a better life for themselves and their children and should be treated with basic humanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Biggie said: And that’s great. But because some people may disagree with that and don’t want people simply walking into our country doesn’t make us bad people or racists. Are you talking about your country, the same country that you chose to be born into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 I hope an immigrant steals dodger’s job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I stand by my statements and I don't see the need for these additional arguments. The poverty argument really seems like it's coming out of left field. It is the same argument. What is the chance of someone in poverty escaping poverty? It's a simple choice to make in order to get out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Biggie said: I don’t believe for a second that @CastlevaniaNut18treats anyone differently or gives shitty care to people because they may be watching Fox News. If she ever posted that it was probably because she was venting frustration. We all post crap that in the real world is far from what we actually do. I just wanted to make sure to thank you for that, publicly. The only thing I ever said was that I had a patient and his wife who were cheering on Hannity's racist bullshit and I said I didn't feel too horrible for pulling off the sticky EKG patches from his super hairy torso and I didn't linger around to chat with them. That's totally the same thing as letting someone die because they didn't have CNN on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: It is the same argument. What is the chance of someone in poverty escaping poverty? It's a simple choice to make in order to get out of it. You seem to keep missing the point that I don't have any desire to get into this argument with you and I've said all I can really say on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Dodger said: Now that I've gotten the hell out of California, I'm actually pretty damn happy. You dont miss the amazing tacos and pupusas? Your xenophobia is stronger than your stomach? Damn brah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I stand by my statements and I don't see the need for these additional arguments. The poverty argument really seems like it's coming out of left field. You came into the thread spouting dishonest bullshit, how dare I say you're dishonest! Shocking! Also, Arkansas only has about 3 million people. I'm sure exploding the population overnight would cause some issues, regardless of the origin of those folks. I have absolutely no problem with living among immigrants, some of my neighbors are immigrants. I work with a ton of immigrants. The vast majority of progressives, including myself, realize that this country can't absorb every single immigrant who wants to come here, having open borders, not vetting them, etc.We just believe in not demonizing brown people and blaming them for society's ills and we realize that most of them are good people who are just desperate to escape poverty and violence and want to make a better life for themselves and their children and should be treated with basic humanity. Well fuck me would look at this, we fucking agree on something. I've never, ever said we can't have immigrants over here. All I've ever said is hey, we can't take everyone, let's have some controls and vetting of the process. That's it. Yet somehow I'm the bad guy, the dishonest twat, the guy with the low IQ, the guy who must hate the world and his life and everything around it, the guy who gets ad hominem after ad hominem thrown his way when we have the same exact damn beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jose said: You dont miss the amazing tacos and pupusas? Your xenophobia is stronger than your stomach? Damn brah. I will say that I haven't found a decent Chinese place in Arizona yet which has been very disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You seem to keep missing the point that I don't have any desire to get into this argument with you and I've said all I can really say on the topic. fair enough. If you ever want to discuss further, than I am here for you, sugar tits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dodger said: I will say that I haven't found a decent Chinese place in Arizona yet which has been very disappointing. Where are you now? Tucson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Dodger said: Well fuck me would look at this, we fucking agree on something. I've never, ever said we can't have immigrants over here. All I've ever said is hey, we can't take everyone, let's have some controls and vetting of the process. That's it. Yet somehow I'm the bad guy, the dishonest twat, the guy with the low IQ, the guy who must hate the world and his life and everything around it, the guy who gets ad hominem after ad hominem thrown his way when we have the same exact damn beliefs. Yeah, because your post I was initially referring to in the thread make that exact argument in a well-reasoned manner and you didn't spew dishonest garbage about liberals and the beliefs they hold. Every time I ever see you post about immigrants, its with a significant amount of contempt. I'm far from the only person who has noticed that. You've also expressed a ton of dissatisfaction with your life. And to be fair, I never suggested you have a low IQ. I don't see what merit that has, unless you're actually mentally retarded or on the border, which I don't think you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jose said: Where are you now? Tucson? I'm in Chandler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dodger said: I'm in Chandler. I've been to Arizona a few times since I met my wife and I have to say, it is probably the least exciting state I have ever visited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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