Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Jose said: Wait, is Sam Harris the totally objective, not racist guy that said Church bells in England were way lovelier than hearing Allah Akhbar? That was his buddy Richard Dawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Ah. I had my atheists mixed up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: Sam Harris: Atheists = awesome! Judaism/Christianity = bad! Islam = really bad! probably because they're mostly scary brown people to a Jewish upper-middle class guy like me I honestly can't believe I have ever respected you on an intellectual level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I guess I don’t necessarily find Harris to be racist... I think he discusses some uncomfortable topics. But he seems like he almost always has pretty sound arguments and comes from a genuine place... But maybe I’ve missed some stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Paperclyp said: I guess I don’t necessarily find Harris to be racist... I think he discusses some uncomfortable topics. But he seems like he almost always has pretty sound arguments and comes from a genuine place... But maybe I’ve missed some stuff. He's extremely anti-racist and spends a ton of time deriding racism and other forms of bigotry. Drooling idiots in the thread are conflating opposition to religion with racism because some religious people are brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 The cult of Sam Harris makes Scientology look sane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Jose said: Ah. I had my atheists mixed up! Dawkins also tried to rebrand atheists as “Brights” which is beyond parody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, Rev said: He's extremely anti-racist and spends a ton of time deriding racism and other forms of bigotry. Drooling idiots in the thread are conflating opposition to religion with racism because some religious people are brown. That has been my impression. If someone arguing otherwise has actual evidence to back up the racist claim, I’m all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Paperclyp said: That has been my impression. If someone arguing otherwise has actual evidence to back up the racist claim, I’m all ears. You'll see a lot of guilt by association, mind-reading and out of context quote-mining. It's the general strategy. I disagree with Harris on a handful of propositions but he's been extremely vocally opposed to racism and bigotry. He's spent countless hours arguing with people he's accused of being in league with like Peterson and Shapiro. He's also been one of the most vocal public figures attacking Trump in just about every imaginable way since 2016. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Paperclyp and Rev are probably racists. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Something that I think often gets lost in the deplatforming discussion is the reverse perspective. If you're a platform provider, any government effort to prevent you from banning a customer would be effectively compelling speech you disagree with. I think there's rightfully a careful consideration of when platforms should and should not ban people, but perhaps worse than censoring speech is forcing speech on you. CA got in trouble recently with their crisis pregnancy center law for exactly this. Forcing someone to promote speech they disagree with is a seriously problematic area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Rev said: I honestly can't believe I have ever respected you on an intellectual level. Shit, I can't believe that either! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Biggie said: Again like I said if I run onto something on Facebook, television, in a book, web page, etc. that I don’t agree with. That I think is hateful or horrible I simply choose for myself to not read or watch it. That’s why it’s called free speech and freedom of choice. Liberals have a pretty nice scam going on. Basically all of social media is owned and ran by liberals. So they can censor any right wing views under the guise of hey they are private business first amendment doesn't apply! But as we saw with Gab, which was literally right wing Twitter, they'll just shut that down too. It hosts hate speech, take it down! So you'll get taunted with well if you don't like FB, IG, YT, whatever else, go create a conservative supporting alternative! It doesn't matter, even if you did manage to do it they would just say your platform supports hate speech and shut it down. Liberals have turned 1984 into a fucking instruction manual. Say anything that goes against liberal group think and they will deem it hate speech. They will doxx you. They will try and likely get you fired from your job. I forget who said it but there is a quote by someone "If you are conservative liberals want you broke and dead. They want your children brainwashed. And they think it's funny" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Dodger said: Liberals have a pretty nice scam going on. Basically all of social media is owned and ran by liberals. So they can censor any right wing views under the guise of hey they are private business first amendment doesn't apply! But as we saw with Gab, which was literally right wing Twitter, they'll just shut that down too. It hosts hate speech, take it down! So you'll get taunted with well if you don't like FB, IG, YT, whatever else, go create a conservative supporting alternative! It doesn't matter, even if you did manage to do it they would just say your platform supports hate speech and shut it down. Liberals have turned 1984 into a fucking instruction manual. Say anything that goes against liberal group think and they will deem it hate speech. They will doxx you. They will try and likely get you fired from your job. I forget who said it but there is a quote by someone "If you are conservative liberals want you broke and dead. They want your children brainwashed. And they think it's funny" Isn't it wonderful? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Isn't it wonderful? You know you'll be on the upside crucifix next to the rest of us right when the time comes right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 59 minutes ago, Dodger said: You know you'll be on the upside crucifix next to the rest of us right when the time comes right? Oh hell yeah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paperclyp Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, Dodger said: Liberals have a pretty nice scam going on. Basically all of social media is owned and ran by liberals. So they can censor any right wing views under the guise of hey they are private business first amendment doesn't apply! But as we saw with Gab, which was literally right wing Twitter, they'll just shut that down too. It hosts hate speech, take it down! So you'll get taunted with well if you don't like FB, IG, YT, whatever else, go create a conservative supporting alternative! It doesn't matter, even if you did manage to do it they would just say your platform supports hate speech and shut it down. Liberals have turned 1984 into a fucking instruction manual. Say anything that goes against liberal group think and they will deem it hate speech. They will doxx you. They will try and likely get you fired from your job. I forget who said it but there is a quote by someone "If you are conservative liberals want you broke and dead. They want your children brainwashed. And they think it's funny" Yeah they sure shut down that hate speech on Twitter and Facebook. Well-oiled censoring machines, they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, Dodger said: Liberals have a pretty nice scam going on. Basically all of social media is owned and ran by liberals. So they can censor any right wing views under the guise of hey they are private business first amendment doesn't apply! But as we saw with Gab, which was literally right wing Twitter, they'll just shut that down too. It hosts hate speech, take it down! So you'll get taunted with well if you don't like FB, IG, YT, whatever else, go create a conservative supporting alternative! It doesn't matter, even if you did manage to do it they would just say your platform supports hate speech and shut it down. Liberals have turned 1984 into a fucking instruction manual. Say anything that goes against liberal group think and they will deem it hate speech. They will doxx you. They will try and likely get you fired from your job. I forget who said it but there is a quote by someone "If you are conservative liberals want you broke and dead. They want your children brainwashed. And they think it's funny" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: Don't forget you have to vote for any turd sandwich or giant douche the Dems nominate in 2020 or you're literally Hitler too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I will just leave this here. free·dom of speech noun the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: I will just leave this here. free·dom of speech noun the right to express any opinions without censorship or restraint. this does not apply in the private sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Boyle5150 said: this does not apply in the private sector. And thus the inherent, irreconcilable contradiction of a politically liberal market-based society. Which will be its ultimate downfall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Boyle5150 said: this does not apply in the private sector. It should. That’s my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Biggie said: It should. That’s my point. That's a very dangerous position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyle5150 said: That's a very dangerous position to take. Not as much as censorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Biggie said: Not as much as censorship. Only in the public sector does this really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Biggie said: Not as much as censorship. So you're ok with people displaying Confederate and Nazi symbols in an office setting? You think their employer should not be allowed to fire them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodger Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jose said: So you're ok with people displaying Confederate and Nazi symbols in an office setting? You think their employer should not be allowed to fire them? The problem is that "hate speech" has gone from Nazi and confederate symbols to anything short of full throated support for allowing infinity immigrants into your country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Biggie said: It should. That’s my point. If this is a road you really want to go down, then there are severe consequences to an ostensibly free market-based economy that should be considered. As in that it's no longer a "free market-based economy" for starters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Biggie said: Not as much as censorship. Preventing this kind of "censorship" means compelling organizations to promote speech they disagree with. So you'd rather have the government forcing people to broadcast speech they disagree with than allow private companies to limit the kind of speech they host? That feels like the far more authoritarian outcome to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, TwinIon said: Preventing this kind of "censorship" means compelling organizations to promote speech they disagree with. So you'd rather have the government forcing people to broadcast speech they disagree with than allow private companies to limit the kind of speech they host? That feels like the far more authoritarian outcome to me. Such a proposition effectively creates "censorship". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Forcing a private company to allow Nazi and white supremacist and conspiracy speech is a weirdly un-American position to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Forcing a private company to allow Nazi and white supremacist and conspiracy speech is a weirdly un-American position to take. Or let's give another example: Islamist speech that advocates jihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Forcing a private company to allow Nazi and white supremacist and conspiracy speech is a weirdly un-American position to take. why is it "weirdly" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 40 minutes ago, Jose said: So you're ok with people displaying Confederate and Nazi symbols in an office setting? You think their employer should not be allowed to fire them? First. Confederate and Nazi symbols are two different things entirely. But that’s a another argument for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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