RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 boyle’s arm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: boyle’s arm I mean, when you lose an argument, Ad hominem attacks are always just as good. Grow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 this isn’t the Princeton debate club. ad hominems are good and should be used Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, RedSoxFan9 said: this isn’t the Princeton debate club. ad hominems are good and should be used When you have no argument or fail... sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyle5150 said: "Although I don't share the politics of the banned members...." This is a book I think Sam Harris should read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation are among my favorite books. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyle5150 said: let me ask you an honest question. do you think Fox News should be deplatformed? Yes. Their views and BS present a danger to society and should be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, johnny said: Yes. Their views and BS present a danger to society and should be removed. Mostly agreed. Do you think anyone who wants to listen to them should be denied the right to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 hours ago, johnny said: Yes. Their views and BS present a danger to society and should be removed. 6 hours ago, Boyle5150 said: Mostly agreed. Do you think anyone who wants to listen to them should be denied the right to. The left are the most tolerant of people. Until you disagree with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Completely agree with @TwinIon. A right to speak does not mean you have a right to be heard or a right to a megaphone. You're on a private platform and your beliefs are dangerous and break every ToS there is; why would you get special treatment over an individual who also harasses or bullies? The scary thing I've seen is the way many people on the extremist right try to sanitize these far-right views. In Red Dead, for example, you can kill someone who whipped slaves and doesn't regret it. He'll fall on a fire and burn to death if you do. I saw a comment from someone saying that they did it and loved doing it. Some guy responded, "Of COURSE the left would do that. You're going to kill anyone who has an untenable political belief." Yes, whipping slaves is now an "untenable political belief." What a euphemism. My favorite is when this young woman was talking on a friend's FB status about the fear she had of Facebook "silencing" views when Alex Jones was banned. I said, "He harasses grieving parents whose children were shot dead. Why does he deserve a platform?" and she goes, "You mean the crisis actors?" I said, "Oh, you're one of those." They always give themselves away; she wants Alex Jones there because she probably gets aroused by him and his views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Completely agree with @TwinIon. A right to speak does not mean you have a right to be heard or a right to a megaphone. You're on a private platform and your beliefs are dangerous and break every ToS there is; why would you get special treatment over an individual who also harasses or bullies? The scary thing I've seen is the way many people on the extremist right try to sanitize these far-right views. In Red Dead, for example, you can kill someone who whipped slaves and doesn't regret it. He'll fall on a fire and burn to death if you do. I saw a comment from someone saying that they did it and loved doing it. Some guy responded, "Of COURSE the left would do that. You're going to kill anyone who has an untenable political belief." Yes, whipping slaves is now an "untenable political belief." What a euphemism. My favorite is when this young woman was talking on a friend's FB status about the fear she had of Facebook "silencing" views when Alex Jones was banned. I said, "He harasses grieving parents whose children were shot dead. Why does he deserve a platform?" and she goes, "You mean the crisis actors?" I said, "Oh, you're one of those." They always give themselves away; she wants Alex Jones there because she probably gets aroused by him and his views. Said like a true liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Biggie said: Said like a true liberal. Indeed, thinking slavery was bad and not an "untenable political belief" is something a liberal would say. A conservative would be very stupid about the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Boyle5150 said: Do you think anyone who wants to listen to them should be denied the right to. They should suffer the same fate that I described earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, Biggie said: Said like a true liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Can someone give me an ELI5 on who these people are and what their beliefs are? Except Milo. I know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, atom631 said: Can someone give me an ELI5 on who these people are and what their beliefs are? Except Milo. I know who he is. Sam Harris: Atheists = awesome! Judaism/Christianity = bad! Islam = really bad! probably because they're mostly scary brown people to a Jewish upper-middle class guy like me Sargon of Akaad Brexit = good because the scary brown Muslim people will be kept out of England Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Biggie said: Said like a true liberal. Can you explain to me what the problem is with not giving someone who claims beating slaves is okay and calls grieving parents "crisis actors" and encourages his followers to harass those grieving parents a platform? That's not a liberal or conservative issue, that's just being a decent fucking human being. Free speech comes with some responsibilities and some garbage people spew is so vile it should never being given anything resembling credibility. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you to turn that into a partisan issue? Also, am I missing something @SaysWho? RDR takes place decades after the Civil War, why would there be slaves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Sam Harris: Atheists = awesome! Judaism/Christianity = bad! Islam = really bad! probably because they're mostly scary brown people to a Jewish upper-middle class guy like me Sargon of Akaad Brexit = good because the scary brown Muslim people will be kept out of England So neither are particularly racist? Or just racist against muslims? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I am kinda getting tired of legitimate criticism of Islam being turned into "you're a xenophobe and a racist." Yes, some people who hate Islam are racist, but you can voice serious criticisms and not be a racist. I just criticize all religion, regardless of tue color of the adherents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Can you explain to me what the problem is with not giving someone who claims beating slaves is okay and calls grieving parents "crisis actors" and encourages his followers to harass those grieving parents a platform? That's not a liberal or conservative issue, that's just being a decent fucking human being. Free speech comes with some responsibilities and some garbage people spew is so vile it should never being given anything resembling credibility. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you to turn that into a partisan issue? Also, am I missing something @SaysWho? RDR takes place decades after the Civil War, why would there be slaves? In RDR2, there's a side mission where a man wants you to get some old stuff from his house. But: Quote Compson is first encountered on a bench outside of Rhodes' Train Station where he informs the player on how his once great life fell apart and how he lost everything. The player offers to break into his old home and retrieve three of his possessions; his old revolver, a ledger, and a valuable pocket watch. During the search, the player discovers that Compson was once a slave hunter by the notes in his ledger, often writing how proud he was of the work he did in the position. Arthur is disgusted by his findings and confronts him at his camp. Compson rants about how his life fell apart, how the public no longer respects him and how he lost the job he loved so much. Arthur then throws his possessions into his campfire, causing him to cry and, in an attempt to kill Arthur, fires the revolver. However, the gun jams and Compson curses the player for destroying his possessions. If you shoot him while he's on the ground, he falls into the fire and burns. I saw this comment on one of the sites describing the mission after someone said they were happy to kill him: Quote You’re a fucking hypocrite. So this is a game where killing is moral wrong in every case except when killing white people who hold untenable political beliefs. Got it. Someone else replied and called him out of course, but yeah, being a slave hunter is an "untenable political belief." I'm sure the guy isn't actually some far-right racist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, atom631 said: So neither are particularly racist? Or just racist against muslims? Sargon of Akaad would unquestionably be a member of the alt-right, if he doesn't identify with it already. Harris might not be an actual racist per se but he dances dangerously close to the line on several occasions with his intellectual sympathies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Can you explain to me what the problem is with not giving someone who claims beating slaves is okay and calls grieving parents "crisis actors" and encourages his followers to harass those grieving parents a platform? That's not a liberal or conservative issue, that's just being a decent fucking human being. Free speech comes with some responsibilities and some garbage people spew is so vile it should never being given anything resembling credibility. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you to turn that into a partisan issue? Also, am I missing something @SaysWho? RDR takes place decades after the Civil War, why would there be slaves? Free speech is free speech. It’s up to each American to sort out the bullshit. There’s lots of things that piss me off but I don’t think it should be banned or censored. I just turn the dial, change the channel, close the book, or click down the web page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Biggie said: Free speech is free speech. It’s up to each American to sort out the bullshit. There’s lots of things that piss me off but I don’t think it should be banned or censored. I just turn the dial, change the channel, close the book, or click down the web page. And the government isn't silencing these people. That's all free speech is. Companies can decided who they allow a platform to and private citizens can certainly call out hateful people for spewing horrible things. So I still don't see what the issue is. Free speech, it has consequences, yo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: And the government isn't silencing these people. That's all free speech is. Companies can decided who they allow a platform to and private citizens can certainly call out hateful people for spewing horrible things. So I still don't see what the issue is. Free speech, it has consequences, yo. Again like I said if I run onto something on Facebook, television, in a book, web page, etc. that I don’t agree with. That I think is hateful or horrible I simply choose for myself to not read or watch it. That’s why it’s called free speech and freedom of choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Biggie said: Again like I said if I run onto something on Facebook, television, in a book, web page, etc. that I don’t agree with. That I think is hateful or horrible I simply choose for myself to not read or watch it. That’s why it’s called free speech and freedom of choice. You keep missing the part where free speech just means the government can't silence you. Companies can give you the boot whenever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: You keep missing the part where free speech just means the government can't silence you. Companies can give you the boot whenever they want. I guess where we differ is I don’t need or want companies to be my parents and to show me right from wrong or good from bad. I like to decide for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Biggie said: Free speech is free speech. It’s up to each American to sort out the bullshit. There’s lots of things that piss me off but I don’t think it should be banned or censored. I just turn the dial, change the channel, close the book, or click down the web page. The censoring, or de-platforming, is being carried out by private companies though, not the state. I don't think this applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Bloodporne said: The censoring, or de-platforming, is being carried out by private companies though, not the state. I don't think this applies. 3 minutes ago, Biggie said: I guess where we differ is I don’t need or want companies to be my parents and to show me right from wrong or good from bad. I like to decide for myself. Read above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Biggie said: Read above We don't differ there, I'm just stating a fact. It's like being fired from work for behavior deemed inappropriate by your company that you agreed to in their handbook or something along the lines. It's irrelevant if I, or you, think that's unjust or not, it's the private business' terms these people agreed to, that's all there's to it. They just have to go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Biggie said: I guess where we differ is I don’t need or want companies to be my parents and to show me right from wrong or good from bad. I like to decide for myself. It's not about what you want. Companies may not want garbage to represent them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: It's not about what you want. Companies may not want garbage to represent them. One mans garbage might be another mans treasure. Let the consumer decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 The consumer can easily decide not to use FB if they want to go to a platform that regular houses white supremacists and Nazis and misogynists unfettered. You don't have a right to use Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Wait, is Sam Harris the totally objective, not racist guy that said Church bells in England were way lovelier than hearing Allah Akhbar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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