Spawn_of_Apathy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 38 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Nah, HW was better than W and better than Trump but he still created massive global instability and hurt Americans. The caravan is here because of policies and actions HW (and others) set in motion. I'm not saying I think he was a good President or even a good man. It just seems to me an article could have shit on him last week and been just as true then as it would be a week from now. It seems pretty crass to spring it as soon as he died before he's even in the ground. It's opportunistic just for the clicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Bush was president when I was in high school, during my peak stick-it-to-the-man phase and I remember him as the literal devil. It's funny that the following two GOP presidents make him seem like a saint in comparison. It's like each Republican President is half as competent as the one before him. In 20 years, the GOP will probably elect a shock jock or youtube star or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 SFLUFAN Hot Take: if Bush had won in 1992, we never would have gotten Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: SFLUFAN Hot Take: if Bush had won in 1992, we never would have gotten Putin. This is intriguing. Explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, CayceG said: This is intriguing. Explain. A Bush administration would've paid more attention to/taken better care of the post-Soviet Russia than the malign neglect of the Clinton administration. They wouldn't have allowed the events that led to the collapse of the Russian economy to occur which in turn would've removed the immediate reasons for the rise of someone like Putin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: A Bush administration would've paid more attention to/taken better care of the post-Soviet Russia than the malign neglect of the Clinton administration. They wouldn't have allowed the events that led to the collapse of the Russian economy to occur which in turn would've removed the immediate reasons for the rise of someone like Putin. Didn't all of the economic madness that Yeltsin oversaw happen in 1997? Even with a second term, Bush wouldn't have been around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, CayceG said: Didn't all of the economic madness that Yeltsin oversaw happen in 1997? Even with a second term, Bush wouldn't have been around. Presumably you don't get to that point with better management of the situation during a second GHWB term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 40 minutes ago, ort said: Bush was president when I was in high school, during my peak stick-it-to-the-man phase and I remember him as the literal devil. It's funny that the following two GOP presidents make him seem like a saint in comparison. It's like each Republican President is half as competent as the one before him. In 20 years, the GOP will probably elect a shock jock or youtube star or something. Republicans are becoming worse and worse human beings. And the most recent two Republican Presidents are spoiled, rich kids that don't have to face real consequences, and seemed to manage failing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 hours ago, 2user1cup said: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/02/george-hw-bush-family @RedSoxFan9 Its a cheap shot given the passing of the man Its not as if the American public will ever truly know or take ownership of the immigration problem being largely a result of things like "Operation Condor", The School of the Americas, and the various massacres and targeted murders up and down Central and South America that resulted from the fight against "Communism South of the Border".. I think the general public would rather stay within the image of the US that is benevolent and on the side of righteousness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 So something good has come of his death: the national day of mourning on the 5th means I get a paid day off work "so all of our employees have the opportunity to observe this unifying day for our country." (Yet election day doesn't give us the same time off...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodporne Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I can't say I have much of an opinion on the matter either which way as I'm not informed enough but what is tiring are these corny, self-aggrandizing "gotcha" tweets from the cheap seats every time some public figure bites the dust. All I do know is that Donald Trump makes both Bush(es?) look like Mother Teresa and Einstein combined. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: So something good has come of his death: the national day of mourning on the 5th means I get a paid day off work "so all of our employees have the opportunity to observe this unifying day for our country." (Yet election day doesn't give us the same time off...) Republicans, make sure your vote isn't counted or you can't vote so we win, then praise us when we die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 News coverage during these things always annoys me, like most news coverage does I guess. Have the camera aimed at the funeral home while people in the studio chat about him. WTF is the point of the camera feed? "Breaking news, dead President still dead. Patiently waiting for living people to see him" If you must spend all day talking about him at least use some stock footage of the person. Show some speeches they did. Clips of them "being a good person", interviews. Something other than the outside of a building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 57 minutes ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: News coverage during these things always annoys me, like most news coverage does I guess. Have the camera aimed at the funeral home while people in the studio chat about him. WTF is the point of the camera feed? "Breaking news, dead President still dead. Patiently waiting for living people to see him" If you must spend all day talking about him at least use some stock footage of the person. Show some speeches they did. Clips of them "being a good person", interviews. Something other than the outside of a building. I can get behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1. They invited him? 2. You don't "look forward" to this kind of thing. The best words, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Spawn_of_Apathy said: News coverage during these things always annoys me, like most news coverage does I guess. Have the camera aimed at the funeral home while people in the studio chat about him. WTF is the point of the camera feed? "Breaking news, dead President still dead. Patiently waiting for living people to see him" If you must spend all day talking about him at least use some stock footage of the person. Show some speeches they did. Clips of them "being a good person", interviews. Something other than the outside of a building. Right on cue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I can’t believed they killed his service dog so they could be buried together 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snaynay1 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Jason said: It's not a funeral? Then why will he be missed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 They're not gonna let him speak, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 18 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: Stolen valor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Man, there was totally tension when Trump sat down with the Clintons a few seats away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I think the Pod Save guys summed up the problem with HW. While it is not solely their fault, what you see with the modern Republican party is that more and more the ugliness, deceit, and vitriol that HW and W ran their campaigns with has seeped into how Republicans govern. Their shortcoming was in thinking that you could both court and stoke such negativity and ignorance during campaigns for decades and continue to "turn it off" when it's time to govern. Eventually, that's just who your base is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just now, Chairslinger said: I think the Pod Save guys summed up the problem with HW. While it is not solely their fault, what you see with the modern Republican party is that more and more the ugliness, deceit, and vitriol that HW and W ran their campaigns with has seeped into how Republicans govern. Their shortcoming was in thinking that you could both court and stoke such negativity and ignorance during campaigns for decades and continue to "turn it off" when it's time to govern. Eventually, that's just who your base is. Pod Save America guys are fucking morons. This began waaaaaay before HW. I'm sure it was in place before this, but Goldwater and Nixon are the biggest examples I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Chairslinger said: I think the Pod Save guys c’mon man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 What’s wrong with the Pod Save guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, MarSolo said: What’s wrong with the Pod Save guys? It's Meet the Press, but they say "fuck" sometimes. I won't say it's full on middle of the road centrist garbage, but it's pretty establishment democrat. It's #Resistance grifting. It's The West Wing for the late 2010s. All this to say, it's to make the establishment democrats and non-republicans feel good about things, but not really move things in a progressive way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, CayceG said: It's Meet the Press, but they say "fuck" sometimes. I won't say it's full on middle of the road centrist garbage, but it's pretty establishment democrat. It's #Resistance grifting. It's The West Wing for the late 2010s. All this to say, it's to make the establishment democrats and non-republicans feel good about things, but not really move things in a progressive way. I don't mind them, but this is completely accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: That Michelle Obama side-eye as to whether she's gonna actually bother shaking Trump's hand or not is epic. Obama is way too nice, as usual - love him and hate him for it. Also Hillary Clinton head nodding Melania but not acknowledging Donald - wonder if there is some "First Lady suffers husband's infidelity while in office" sisterhood there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Greatoneshere said: That Michelle Obama side-eye as to whether she's gonna actually bother shaking Trump's hand or not is epic. Obama is way too nice, as usual - love him and hate him for it. He wasn't as nice as Carter. That damn smile, man. Hillary's nod cracked me up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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