SaysWho? Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: I remember the birthers doing this. Not that this remotely approaches birther territory--there's far more substance to the Mueller investigation--but I don't think people are being totally impartial either. What worries me is that some people (not necessarily here, but people I know) seem to be actually hoping that Trump is guilty of collusion because they see this as a way to nullify the results of the 2016 election. That's a bad mindset, IMO. The sanctity of democracy is more important than short-term political advantage. (Okay, so if you're a fascist like SFLUFAN then that doesn't apply, but for EVERYONE else...)We should all be hoping that this investigation concludes that our democracy wasn't tampered with, even if it means retaining a shit president. Plus, Pence would likely make a better commander in chief and thus a more formidable 2020 candidate for the GOP. You already think Trump is going to get reelected, so does it matter? Our democracy was already tampered with, however. What I hope is that criminals get ousted or put in jail, which has been happening. The fact that my avatar is going to jail makes me happy. A strong democracy should be able to survive if their leader is a crook *holds up two peace signs* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: You already think Trump is going to get reelected, so does it matter? Our democracy was already tampered with, however. What I hope is that criminals get ousted or put in jail, which has been happening. The fact that my avatar is going to jail makes me happy. A strong democracy should be able to survive if their leader is a crook *holds up two peace signs* Well I of course agree that if there was indeed tampering, the culprits should be accordingly punished—I just think everyone should be hoping that there wasn’t, even if they might benefit politically if there was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Well I of course agree that if there was indeed tampering, the culprits should be accordingly punished—I just think everyone should be hoping that there wasn’t, even if they might benefit politically if there was. We already know Russia was involved and interfering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: I remember the birthers doing this. Not that this remotely approaches birther territory--no one here's being *quite* that deranged, and there's far more substance to the Mueller investigation--but I don't think people are being totally impartial either. What worries me is that some people (not necessarily here, but people I know) seem to be actually hoping that Trump is guilty of collusion because they see this as a way to nullify the results of the 2016 election. That's a bad mindset, IMO. The sanctity of democracy is more important than short-term political advantage. (Okay, so if you're a fascist like SFLUFAN then that doesn't apply, but for EVERYONE else...)We should all be hoping that this investigation concludes that our democracy wasn't tampered with, even if it means retaining a shit president. Plus, Pence would likely make a better commander in chief and thus a more formidable 2020 candidate for the GOP. I don't see this as a way to nullify the 2016 election, the damage is already done and you can't walk back from that. Yet to say we should hope there was no tampering is also a horrible way to look at this. I look at this as an exercise in that if something illegal was done to tamper with the elections/democracy that the system is healthy enough to charge and convict those who broke the law. For the most part mueller and his team have been doing just that. It's very important that this works specially with all the fuckery we've seen in state elections over the last election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I guess we know what's on Fox right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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b_m_b_m_b_m Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 hours ago, CitizenVectron said: The leftist "Russia is a nothingburger" narrative must be maintained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Bat Boy's drunk again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, Jason said: Bat Boy's drunk again. The hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Very unfair, very disloyal! Trump-appointed judge defends Mueller, scolds lawyer for Russian firm. "You have undermined your credibility in this courthouse," Judge Dabney Friedrich said. "Knock it off." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 She's in Russia so it just means she can't step foot outside of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: She's in Russia so it just means she can't step foot outside of it. If you're going for conspiracy charges then you need co-conspirators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chairslinger Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Yup. This is a pretty smokey gun. I would say we now have fairly definitive proof, much of it in the public domain, that Trump committed obstruction and that the Trump campaign illegally coordinated with Russia. The only question remaining is if Trump can be directly tied to Manafort/Kilimnik, Jr. Trump Tower meeting, and/or Stone/Guccifer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Yup. This is a pretty smokey gun. I would say we now have fairly definitive proof, much of it in the public domain, that Trump committed obstruction and that the Trump campaign illegally coordinated with Russia. The only question remaining is if Trump can be directly tied to Manafort/Kilimnik, Jr. Trump Tower meeting, and/or Stone/Guccifer. NO COLLUSION COLLUSION ISN'T A CRIME BUT ONLY THE DEMOCRATS COLLUDED 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Jason said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris- Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 @Kal-El814, I'm mixing all the dough right now. You aren't allergic to eggs, are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chris- said: @Kal-El814, I'm mixing all dough right now. You aren't allergic to eggs, are you? No, a little goo related to reproduction never hurt anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mclumber1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Supreme Court refuses to block mystery grand jury subpoena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kal-El814 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, chakoo said: Assuming that’s real, even I can fap to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Kal-El814 said: Assuming that’s real, even I can fap to that. I don't know about this one in particular but several of these court filing leaks have been from basically that mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 oopsdidn'tmeanto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, chakoo said: 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 minute ago, osxmatt said: There needs to be an attorney one that says: "I've got the worst fucking clients" because as bad as Trump's attorneys are, Trump's criminality is so rampant even Mueller (if he represented Trump in a different world - imagine!) wouldn't be able to hide it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted January 8, 2019 Author Share Posted January 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, Greatoneshere said: There needs to be an attorney one that says: "I've got the worst fucking clients" because as bad as Trump's attorneys are, Trump's criminality is so rampant even Mueller (if he represented Trump in a different world - imagine!) wouldn't be able to hide it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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