Keyser_Soze Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr.Vic20 said: Seriously, why can't cops with one month to go just do desk work?! If he's smart he'll use all the sick leave he's accrued and not come in to work the majority of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Keyser_Soze said: If he's smart he'll use all the sick leave he's accrued and not come in to work the majority of the time. He is... he technically retires in February but his last day is in December. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: A nightclub full of college students? I'm gonna go with an incel. What's an Incel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Yup, I've read that too about the same gun store. And most of the " illegal " guns used in crimes in New York and New Jersey come from Pennsylvania and other states with more... liberal gun laws than either of those states. Here in NY a few years ago we had some dude who walked up to a Cop car in Brooklyn and shot both officers point blank, killing them. That gun was traced back to a purchase made at gun store in Georgia...15 years prior!!!!!! That right there sum up this countries entire problem with our gun epidemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What's an Incel? "Involuntary Celibate" basically they hate women and in particular, feminists. Because feminists align themselves with liberalism, incels tend to lean extreme-right (alt-right) in their views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What's an Incel? Oh you sweet summer child. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, atom631 said: "Involuntary Celibate" basically they hate women and in particular, feminists. Because feminists align themselves with liberalism, incels tend to lean extreme-right (alt-right) in their views. So that guy who shot up the yoga studio was an Incel? Fuck... go to a strip club or call up a fucking hooker for god's sake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 9 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: "Notice the states highlighted in yellow. Several states — Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Virginia — are common sources of firearms for most of the states for which we compiled data. Those states are also ones in which gun laws are not among the most stringent." Almost all of those states have lower violent crime rates than Illinois (Alabama being the exception). This tells me the ease availability of the guns isn't the cause of the violence, but it does enable it. I think what McLumber is getting at is that we need to address the underlying problems that make Chicago such a violent city (extreme poverty, addiction, drug war, gang policies, etc.). Get a handle on what makes so many in the city turn to violence in the first place. Just now, skillzdadirecta said: What's an Incel? "Involuntary Celibate". Basically someone who is suuuuuuper frustrated that they can't get laid or have any sort of successful romantic relationship (usually due to crippling social awkwardness or unhealthiness). Manifests itself in irrational and extreme anger towards women in general (and sometimes other men who they are jealous of). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, skillzdadirecta said: So that guy who shot up the yoga studio was an Incel? Fuck... go to a strip club or call up a fucking hooker for god's sake. Yup, he even identified as one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thewhyteboar Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 24 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: What's an Incel? People like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 50 minutes ago, Slug said: Almost all of those states have lower violent crime rates than Illinois (Alabama being the exception). This tells me the ease availability of the guns isn't the cause of the violence, but it does enable it. I think what McLumber is getting at is that we need to address the underlying problems that make Chicago such a violent city (extreme poverty, addiction, drug war, gang policies, etc.). Get a handle on what makes so many in the city turn to violence in the first place. You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it has a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/359395002 Quote When adjusted for the population size, five of the deadliest 10 states are in the South, and six are among the 10 poorest U.S. states. In all but five states, more than half of all firearm fatalities were suicides. In fact all of the big violent urban states are lower. New York is ranked 48th out of 50, Jersey 45, California 43. Illinois 35. Pennsylvania 31, Texas 29, Virginia 28, Ohio 25 These states have higher rates of gun violence based on population than the ones with stricter gun laws. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, thewhyteboar said: People like that. There's a community of these losers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 hour ago, SFLUFAN said: A nightclub full of college students? I'm gonna go with an incel. I read nightclub, California, and immediately thought incel too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: So that guy who shot up the yoga studio was an Incel? Fuck... go to a strip club or call up a fucking hooker for god's sake. The fact that women don't think he's good enough to fuck and he needs to resort to a strip club or a hooker is part of their justification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it was a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/359395002 In fact all of the big violent urban states are lower. New York is ranked 48th out of 50, Jersey 45, California 43. Illinois 35. Pennsylvania 31, Texas 29, Virginia 28, Ohio 25 These states have higher rates of gun violence based on population than the ones with stricter gun laws. I'll go recheck where I got those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionFranco Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 God, Incels are fucking pathetic. I can't give them anymore time than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 SHALL NOT INFRINGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 according to ABC, gun was purchased legally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Alright - my first inclination of it being an incel was wrong. A USMC veteran with PTSD. Good Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: Alright - my first inclination of it being an incel was wrong. A USMC veteran with PTSD. Good Christ. That's not inherently mutually exclusive with being an incel though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, atom631 said: according to ABC, gun was purchased legally. Of course it was, almost all of them are, its the sole fucking problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason said: That's not inherently mutually exclusive with being an incel though? No, but the probability that being an incel was the sole motivator (as in the recent yoga studio incident) drops significantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Yeah, I highly doubt it's an incel thing now. He's had issues with cops before and has PTSD? Yeah.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: Alright - my first inclination of it being an incel was wrong. A USMC veteran with PTSD. Good Christ. Could still be an incel. I knew quite a few involuntary celibates when I was in the Navy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boyle5150 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, mclumber1 said: Could still be an incel. I knew quite a few involuntary celibates when I was in the Navy. Why do you think they joined the navy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom631 Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html Quote In April, officers responded to a disturbance at Long's home, and he was somewhat irate and acting irrationally, Dean said. A mental health specialist met with him and ultimately decided not to detain him under laws pertaining to his mental health. We can blame guns all we want... this is the other major contributing factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, atom631 said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html We can blame guns all we want... this is the other major contributing factor. *in extreme head up ass voice* You can't deny him his due process! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 The fucking "Forever War" does it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 1 minute ago, atom631 said: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/us/thousand-oaks-gunman/index.html We can blame guns all we want... this is the other major contributing factor. The United States isn't the only country where people have mental health issues... where just a country where those people have easy access to guns. So while mental health is a factor, the accessibility to guns is the driving factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Just now, skillzdadirecta said: The United States isn't the only country where people have mental health issues... where just a country where those people have easy access to guns. So while mental health is a factor, the accessibility to guns is the driving factor And if he was a PTSD sufferer due to combat stress, then it's the goddamned "Forever War" doing its malignant magic again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slug Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: You might want to check your statistics there my friend because while Illinois may have a higher overall number of gun deaths than those states because of population, it was a lower rate of gun deaths when you factor in population vs number of incidents. 10 minutes ago, Slug said: I'll go recheck where I got those numbers. So it looks like the rankings I saw were for violent crime in general, not gun crime specifically. Was the U.S. New and World Report rankings based on the FBI's UCR. So they don't really apply because they're including violent crime that may not be gun related. So good call on your part. :P Now, FWIW your list is for deaths, not homicides. I wonder what your rankings would look like when adjusted for suicides. Illinois probably jumps from 31into the top 10 easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 13 minutes ago, Slug said: So it looks like the rankings I saw were for violent crime in general, not gun crime specifically. Was the U.S. New and World Report rankings based on the FBI's UCR. So they don't really apply because they're including violent crime that may not be gun related. So good call on your part. :P Now, FWIW your list is for deaths, not homicides. I wonder what your rankings would look like when adjusted for suicides. Illinois probably jumps from 31into the top 10 easily. I'll look that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I'm just . . . tired. And sad. Before debating further, let's just take a moment. This sucks, and its sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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