Chairslinger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 This thead is just barely behind the RGB thread in terms of causing pure dread in me every time I see it bumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Oh great. A story in this thread out of my city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thewhyteboar Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Steal a $2.75 fare and the police gonna get you. Steal millions of dollars and you'll get a cabinet position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Fare charges for public transit are dumb as hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 14 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Fare charges for public transit are dumb as hell So, just throw more on the poor tapayers back? These services already lose tons of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: So, just throw more on the poor tapayers back? These services already lose tons of money. Pay for them with general revenue, like water and roads. Those are money-losing services as well, except for the fact that they greatly benefit society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimpleG Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: So, just throw more on the poor tapayers back? These services already lose tons of money When its free you dont have to pay the driver the time it takes to collect the fares and count the cash for the bus system. When its free you dont have to pay someone to collect the money from the machines,fix and install the machines, and count the money from the machines for use of the subway. When its free more people will use it which puts less stress on the roads and less stress on infrastructure. When its free more people will use it which can give the public better access to more jobs and more revenue in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 the NYPD loves finding new excuses to harass black men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spawn_of_Apathy Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 7:51 PM, thewhyteboar said: Steal a $2.75 fare and the police gonna get you. Steal millions of dollars and you'll get a cabinet position. Less skill and ambition required for the $2.75 fare compared to stealing millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Transportation is a force multiplier. It's in our own best interest to make it work for as many people as we can. We can make it free to use and the benefits would be immense. I mean, payment for the roads to be built and their upkeep ain't free but their use sure is. Paid with tax money. Can't say we can't do it because we already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 48 minutes ago, Anathema- said: Transportation is a force multiplier. It's in our own best interest to make it work for as many people as we can. We can make it free to use and the benefits would be immense. I mean, payment for the roads to be built and their upkeep ain't free but their use sure is. Paid with tax money. Can't say we can't do it because we already are. Use of roads isn't free. We pay for it in registration costs, tire taxes, road tolls, and other ways. People without vehicles don't pay those taxes and tolls. Instead they pay other transit fees. I don't get the want people have for everything to be free. Transportation, college, UBI, loan forgiveness, M4A (the only one I agree with, personally). Where does it end? Who is going to pay for it? The poor are taxed enough, and the idea of taxing the rich is a joke, they are the people paying their campaigns. Public transit in America is piss poor, and people avoid it for that reason, not because it costs a couple of bucks to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGreatGamble said: Public transit in America is piss poor, and people avoid it for that reason, not because it costs a couple of bucks to use it. Oh man you're so close to getting it. Because it's piss poor (outside of a few select areas) who is relegated to using it because they have no other choice? Also, in the US, only a handful of transit authorities recover more than 50% of operating costs from fares. And since mostly only the most desperate use public transit, it would be an anti poverty program to eliminate fares. In the world, there's only a handful more that break even or produce and operational profit, and those systems are in very densely populated urban areas (London, Tokyo, Taipei, Singapore,etc) that generally discourage driving and parking. Transportation and land use are tightly linked, and when moving to an eventual carbon free future, these systems should be more closely emulated, starting with parking maximums on new development and elimination of publicly subsidized parking. Once we get to a point where fares can turn operational profits, then a subsidy program can be in place for those impoverished. Until then, it would just be a bureaucratic dead weight to have such a system in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Oh man you're so close to getting it. Because it's piss poor (outside of a few select areas) who is relegated to using it because they have no other choice? Also, in the US, only a handful of transit authorities recover more than 50% of operating costs from fares. And since mostly only the most desperate use public transit, it would be an anti poverty program to eliminate fares. In the world, there's only a handful more that break even or produce and operational profit, and those systems are in very densely populated urban areas (London, Tokyo, Taipei, Singapore,etc) that generally discourage driving and parking. Transportation and land use are tightly linked, and when moving to an eventual carbon free future, these systems should be more closely emulated, starting with parking maximums on new development and elimination of publicly subsidized parking. Once we get to a point where fares can turn operational profits, then a subsidy program can be in place for those impoverished. Until then, it would just be a bureaucratic dead weight to have such a system in place. In Tokyo the agency is also a landlord, IIRC their profits come from renting out commercial space. Meanwhile, https://usa.streetsblog.org/2013/01/23/drivers-cover-just-51-percent-of-u-s-road-spending/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, Jason said: In Tokyo the agency is also a landlord, IIRC their profits come from renting out commercial space. That's correct, but I was talking fare box recovery ratio. This reminds me of the Richmond transit authority sold some prime real estate to developers, instead of retaining ownership and signing over a long term lease. Now these landlords are swimming in good cash flow, and the transit company got a one time infusion. It was such a huge missed opportunity to fund the system in a way that best benefits riders and the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheGreatGamble Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Oh man you're so close to getting it. Because it's piss poor (outside of a few select areas) who is relegated to using it because they have no other choice? Also, in the US, only a handful of transit authorities recover more than 50% of operating costs from fares. And since mostly only the most desperate use public transit, it would be an anti poverty program to eliminate fares. In the world, there's only a handful more that break even or produce and operational profit, and those systems are in very densely populated urban areas (London, Tokyo, Taipei, Singapore,etc) that generally discourage driving and parking. Transportation and land use are tightly linked, and when moving to an eventual carbon free future, these systems should be more closely emulated, starting with parking maximums on new development and elimination of publicly subsidized parking. Once we get to a point where fares can turn operational profits, then a subsidy program can be in place for those impoverished. Until then, it would just be a bureaucratic dead weight to have such a system in place. It would be nearly impossible to to make public transit better in this country. Cities just weren't designed for it. It's a great idea in theory, but it's never going to pan out. And Americans are not going to give up their cars to switch. Public transit has become a dirty word (or phrase, I guess), and I would say only a tiny minority of people even cares what happens to it. But, if you believe we have a carbon free future, I guess you can believe anything. There is no chance that the most selfish country in the world is suddenly going to embrace mass transit. It's mostly a non starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If we don't embrace a carbon free future, there is no future. And cities can be redesigned, just as they were made for the car, they can be unmade in the same manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anathema- Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 hours ago, TheGreatGamble said: Use of roads isn't free. We pay for it in registration costs, tire taxes, road tolls, and other ways. People without vehicles don't pay those taxes and tolls. Instead they pay other transit fees. I don't get the want people have for everything to be free. Transportation, college, UBI, loan forgiveness, M4A (the only one I agree with, personally). Where does it end? Who is going to pay for it? The poor are taxed enough, and the idea of taxing the rich is a joke, they are the people paying their campaigns. Public transit in America is piss poor, and people avoid it for that reason, not because it costs a couple of bucks to use it. You're gonna need a ladder for how far my post went over your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema- Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 hours ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Good, I remember that smelling like shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreatGamble Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 6:57 PM, Anathema- said: You're gonna need a ladder for how far my post went over your head. Nope, you’re just wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/salvadorhernandez/texas-police-officer-shoot-dog-woman-arlington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/salvadorhernandez/texas-police-officer-shoot-dog-woman-arlington Pathetic. And not a damn thing will happen to him. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even get fired, much less charges filed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/sheriff-s-deputies-escort-boy-to-school-after-his-father-was-killed-in-the-line-of-duty/ar-AAFyINH?ocid=AMZN Quote Sgt. Charles Hewell told CNN that Caden “was having a rough morning because he didn’t want to go to school without his dad being there,” so he and more than a dozen other officers who worked with Nicolas joined Caden and his mother Stephanie Dixon to escort him to his first day. “Hall County Sheriff’s Deputies joined Caden Dixon and his mother Stephanie this morning as Caden began the new school year as a fourth-grader,” the department shared in a Facebook post on Wednesday. “They wanted to give Caden and Stephanie some extra support and encouragement on this first day of class. The Sheriff’s Office and Hall County community are proud of them both,” the post continued. “Seeing his reaction when he saw us made everything worth it,” Hewell added to the outlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Remarkableriots said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/sheriff-s-deputies-escort-boy-to-school-after-his-father-was-killed-in-the-line-of-duty/ar-AAFyINH?ocid=AMZN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 "Mom, They Shot Me”: 12-Year-Old Was Sitting on His Bed When Chicago Cop Shot Him Quote Twelve-year-old Amir Worship was fast asleep when a SWAT team allegedly raided his bedroom at 5 a.m. on May 26, conducting a search warrant in his south Chicago home. One of the officers then shot him in the leg, shattering his knee, when he was sitting on the edge of his bed complying with their orders, according to a lawsuit filed Thursday in Cook County, Illinois. Michigan Cop Being Investigated for KKK Memorabilia Shot and Killed a Black Man in 2009 Quote A Muskegon, Michigan cop has been placed on administrative leave so city officials can investigate why he decorated his home with Confederate flags and a framed membership application for the Ku Klux Klan. The cop was last in the news a decade ago for shooting and killing a black man, for which he was cleared of any wrongdoing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Fucking pigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, 2user1cup said: Fucking pigs 30-50 feral hogs = 1 precinct 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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