osxmatt Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Time for Chuck Grassley to start irrationally yelling again. And right on queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 The FBI won't decide this case for us, so it clearly would be of no use to have them collect any information at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 JFC I've missed so much! Fuck this fuck! What an amazing fucking douchebag of the most profound degree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: And there's no way that liberals ever beat conservatives in violence in internal struggles. The only people on the left who have ever had success at this are the communists, and the US doesn't have a strong base of that. So I guess even violence won't save the US. The real longterm solution for this is to convince people Trump is so vile and unacceptable that the GOP should not be entrusted with the reigns of power for a long time. The problem here is that the GOP has been better at long term planning, and thanks to some luck, they have been able to make moves that set the table for undemocratically entrenching theor power. While winning the House(and maybe the Senate) in '18 is a start, and the presidency in '20 would be good, it's not enough if the GOP just takes back Congress in '22. The GOP has become too good at Constitutional hardball, and their base has proven that they have little problem with being lying, shameless, and just generally without values in pursuit of power. That's why I have no doubt packing the courts would backfire on us. The Democratic base would likely punish the party for such a craven move while the GOP base would celebrate and reward it. A little factoid has occurred to me a lot over the past 2 years that disturbs me. Ronald Reagan was elected in a landslide only four years after Nixon's second term ended. Democrats need to learn from that and not just turn it into wins in the next two years, but also going forward. They need to make the larger case of why the GOP isn't just the part against women, gays, and minorities now....but that will be the case for the next decade or more. They need to start labeling these people Trump Republicans so that they can use that term derisively on them for years to come, long after Trump has stumbled off the political stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: The real longterm solution for this is to convince people Trump is so vile and unacceptable that the GOP should not be entrusted with the reigns of power for a long time. The problem here is that the GOP has been better at long term planning, and thanks to some luck, they have been able to make moves that set the table for undemocratically entrenching theor power. While winning the House(and maybe the Senate) in '18 is a start, and the presidency in '20 would be good, it's not enough if the GOP just takes back Congress in '22. The GOP has become too good at Constitutional hardball, and their base has proven that they have little problem with being lying, shameless, and just generally without values in pursuit of power. That's why I have no doubt packing the courts would backfire on us. The Democratic base would likely punish the party for such a craven move while the GOP base would celebrate and reward it. A little factoid has occurred to me a lot over the past 2 years that disturbs me. Ronald Reagan was elected in a landslide only four years after Nixon's second term ended. Democrats need to learn from that and not just turn it into wins in the next two years, but also going forward. They need to make the larger case of why the GOP isn't just the part against women, gays, and minorities now....but that will be the case for the next decade or more. They need to start labeling these people Trump Republicans so that they can use that term derisively on them for years to come, long after Trump has stumbled off the political stage. But as you said, people will simply forget in 4 years. So what is the point? If one side is willing to devalue the law and the other is not, then the first side will always win. Can you think of a single example in history of a country pulling itself back from this sort of path using only peaceful, democratic means? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 CNN and ABC are both saying that he is doing well, and that pushing back against the Democratic Senators is a good thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Why is it that, even with the prospect of a new and better job which I start training for in November, I feel less and less hopeful every day? I didn't even think that was possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: CNN and ABC are both saying that he is doing well, and that pushing back against the Democratic Senators is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: How many Senators do you need to impeach a SCOTUS judge? 2/3? Impeachment happens in the house, pretty sure just 50%+1 vote. Trial happens in the Senate and you need 2/3rds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just now, sblfilms said: Impeachment happens in the house, pretty sure just 50%+1 vote. Trial happens in the Senate and you need 2/3rds. It's the same process as for impeaching the president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: The real longterm solution for this is to convince people Trump is so vile and unacceptable that the GOP should not be entrusted with the reigns of power for a long time. This didn’t work so well in 2016 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Orrin Hatch saying these are allegations from high school! High school!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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legend Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: Why is it that, even with the prospect of a new and better job which I start training for in November, I feel less and less hopeful every day? I didn't even think that was possible. Because the GOP has turned into a circus and they currently have control. The results of this midterm is kind of the deciding factor for whether to be hopeful or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1045426276528521216 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just now, Jason said: Maybe, just maybe, they would't have so much air time if our "leader" wasn't fucking pornstars and the silencing them constantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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marioandsonic Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, legend said: Because the GOP has turned into a circus and they currently have control. The results of this midterm is kind of the deciding factor for whether to be hopeful or not. I seriously feel like if the GOP keeps both houses and I don't get this job, I might as well kill myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentWorld Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, legend said: Because the GOP has turned into a circus and they currently have control. The results of this midterm is kind of the deciding factor for whether to be hopeful or not. lbr tho, even if the democrats somehow take the house AND the senate in the midterms, that's just delaying the inevitable... i don't see any possible scenario where the republicans don't eventually regain control and make things even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: I seriously feel like if the GOP keeps both houses and I don't get this job, I might as well kill myself. Maybe consider moving before that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 EDIT - Noooooooooooooooooooooooooope. - Kal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just now, SilentWorld said: lbr tho, even if the democrats somehow take the house AND the senate in the midterms, that's just delaying the inevitable... i don't see any possible scenario where the republicans don't eventually regain control and make things even worse. I see plenty of scenarios, but I'm hesitant to say they're likely But I wasn't trying to say "if we win this, then we're good." Just that "if we win this, there is hope." That is, winning is consistent with getting out of this mess and until the midterms we should expect terrible outcomes simply because the GOP is in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, darkness35 said: KAL WAS HERE What a reprehensible post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Can someone get Ben Sasse one of Brett Kavanaugh’s calendars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Why does he even try to defend the "Renate Alumnus" yearbook quote? How else are we supposed to interpret it? If a bunch of HS douchebags wrote down that with my name, wtf else is it supposed to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 I ask this with all seriousness - is there any way that this ends with anything other than the GOP turning the US into Russia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: What a reprehensible post. I clipped it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, sblfilms said: What a reprehensible post. You're right, it was if you truly believe that I meant it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 1 minute ago, darkness35 said: You're right, it was if you truly believe that I meant it. Yeah still... don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: I ask this with all seriousness - is there any way that this ends with anything other than the GOP turning the US into Russia? maybe not fully but they will try and get close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 Just now, Kal-El814 said: Yeah still... don't. I know, was uncalled for. @marioandsonic I seriously and sincerely apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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