legend Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, sblfilms said: What are some areas in which you see a direct connection between teenage behavior and late adult behavior? I do think life circumstances can play a role from one period to another, such as the differences cause by dropping out of high school vs. graduating from a good university. It's difficult for me to slice it up into specific well defined areas. Most people I know, though evolved, are still clearly the same person with many of the same traits. I'm also frequently told by psychologists that past behavior is still the best predictor, even if it's not certainty. I'm open to changing by tune if we can find some studies on the topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, legend said: It's difficult for me to slice it up into specific well defined areas. Most people I know, though evolved, are still clearly the same person with many of the same traits. I'm also frequently told by psychologists that past behavior is still the best predictor, even if it's not certainty. I'm open to changing by tune if we can find some studies on the topic. But would they say a *single* past action is the best predictor, or the collection of behaviors over a person’s entire life? How do you weight different eras of a person’s life with regards to determining the character in the now? I also think we need to be sure we aren’t conflating character traits with personality traits. Personality is much more set and likely hereditary to a large degree, character far less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 19 minutes ago, sblfilms said: But would they say a *single* past action is the best predictor, or the collection of behaviors over a person’s entire life? How do you weight different eras of a person’s life with regards to determining the character in the now? Depends on the action. Some actions I wouldn't expect to see especially frequently, even by a bad actor, because there is an inherent risk that would result in them only happening in the right circumstances. Such a property (when coupled with other dynamics) can result in a single observation actually having a lot of evidential weight. Some single actions are also significant enough to require a fundamentally bad characteristic of the actor and would otherwise be incredibly uncommon without that trait. I'd put rape under both of the above. To be clear, I say this knowing I'm not an expert. This belief is merely a result of a mixture of my own experiences and an extrapolation from a collection of interactions with psychologists that were not explicitly about this topic. Consequently, I don't make this claim with a whole lot of confidence. Quote I also think we need to be sure we aren’t conflating character traits with personality traits. Personality is much more set and likely hereditary to a large degree, character far less so. Hmm perhaps so. Can you elaborate more on the distinctions between these or point me in the right direction of a discussion on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, sblfilms said: I don’t think, and I would argue the science of brain development backs this up, that anything you do as a 17 year old has any relation to your character as a 50 year old. These things aren’t set in stone, character develops over time. Really bad people turn into really good people, and the reverse is certainly true as well. As Jason pointed out, torturing animals as a child does lead to serial killer tendencies into adulthood. I agree many men can change, and if he did, good for him. But if he had these tendencies, even as a minor, I don't think you deserve the highest position in the land. To live and work freely in life? Sure! But to be a Supreme Court Justice? That's exactly why we have these vetting procedures. Also, given the rest of everything we know about the guy, this in tandem with everything else should disqualify him. Also, I've never (personally, yes, anecdotally) known a guy who has done that kind of shit (and I knew a few, unfortunately) and ever changed - they're mostly the same pieces of shit they were, they just know how to hide it as adults. And given how insidious and vicious bland McBland guy Kavanaugh has been as an adult (he's done some pretty heinous shit during the Bush years especially yet he comes off as vanilla) shows me he knows exactly how to hide his bad behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Hey, if Al Franken had to resign because of shit that happened before he was a Senator... then this SHOULD fuck Kavanaugh. Besides, he totally looks like he went the Tucker Carlson school of date rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 5 hours ago, Ghost_MH said: I'm 35 and went to a school with thousands of students. I couldn't come close to naming 65 women I went to HS with. I can't imagine it would be any easier at 50. I'm also 35 and I feel like at this point I'd have a hard time pulling in a list of that many people in general to vouch for my character, let alone all women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, finaljedi said: I'm also 35 and I feel like at this point I'd have a hard time pulling in a list of that many people in general to vouch for my character, let alone all women. 65 non-family members who knew me at 16 and are willing to vouch for my character? Yeah, that's not happening. That's such a weirdly large number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 They faked it. What Democrat is going to actually search for all 65 of those people to see if they actually signed it, or if these 65 people are even real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 34 minutes ago, Ghost_MH said: 65 non-family members who knew me at 16 and are willing to vouch for my character? Yeah, that's not happening. That's such a weirdly large number. You mean you don't have 65 women on speed dial willing to vouch for your never having raped them? Why don't you have a seat over there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_MH Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: They faked it. What Democrat is going to actually search for all 65 of those people to see if they actually signed it, or if these 65 people are even real? It's not even about faking it. It's the number. Like, if the letter were signed by five women, sure. Ten women, whatever. Twenty women, yeah why not. 65 women? That's large enough to be seen as an obvious exaggeration. It's like that kid in high school that swore he had like thirty girlfriends in twenty different states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: They faked it. What Democrat is going to actually search for all 65 of those people to see if they actually signed it, or if these 65 people are even real? 1 minute ago, Ghost_MH said: It's not even about faking it. It's the number. Like, if the letter were signed by five women, sure. Ten women, whatever. Twenty women, yeah why not. 65 women? That's large enough to be seen as an obvious exaggeration. It's like that kid in high school that swore he had like thirty girlfriends in twenty different states. I think it's less likely that they faked it than that they knew this was coming a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Ghost_MH said: 65 non-family members who knew me at 16 and are willing to vouch for my character? Yeah, that's not happening. That's such a weirdly large number. I didn't even graduate high school with 65 people lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 DC’s dumbest columnist weighs in on the controversy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenTongue Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 11 hours ago, sblfilms said: I’ll say that I unequivocally will not hold the actions of a minor against them when they are 50. There is a reason we don’t punish minors as harshly for the same crimes as adults, your brain isn’t even fully developed. If he has continued this behavior into adulthood, ahem, lock him up. A valid argument in a society where minors are never charged as adults. I'm inclined to agree with the spirit of your argument to an extent, but I have a problem with how you're presenting it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 lol at people acting like they never attempted to rape a girl in high school. Things happen, boys will be boys. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbobo Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 Am I missing something where we know Kavanaugh did this? Isn't all there is to go on is an anonymous letter with no evidence or witnesses to back it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 The accuser had been identified: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c629ab523c03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 On 9/15/2018 at 9:14 AM, elbobo said: Am I missing something where we know Kavanaugh did this? Isn't all there is to go on is an anonymous letter with no evidence or witnesses to back it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stepee Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, RedSoxFan9 said: The last two points make this especially damning. If this person worked for a company, they would be fired. Instead we are most definitely still going to promote him into a position where he will help dictate the lives of Americans for the next three or so decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Outside of Merrick Garland, who didn’t even get a hearing, had there ever been a nomination for the Supreme Court that didn’t get confirmed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Ouch. Still, it was political theater to give this information to the FBI (isn't that what happened?). The FBI essentially has no jurisdiction on something like this. Even if the statue of limitations hasn't expired, it would be a state issue. The Democrats are a bunch of jabronis for that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, MarSolo said: Outside of Merrick Garland, who didn’t even get a hearing, had there ever been a nomination for the Supreme Court that didn’t get confirmed? Yes. Robert Bork during the Reagan admin was a notable example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsuccessful_nominations_to_the_Supreme_Court_of_the_United_States#Ronald_Reagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, MarSolo said: Outside of Merrick Garland, who didn’t even get a hearing, had there ever been a nomination for the Supreme Court that didn’t get confirmed? I can think of Bork and Harriet Miers off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Quote To review:1. Kavanaugh's accuser is now on the record: Her name is Christine Blasey Ford2. Ford has offered a detailed account of sexual assault by Kavanaugh3. Ford's account corroborated by therapists notes from 20124. Ford passed a polygraph test by former FBI agent Yeah, but did they ask her if she wrote the NYT op-ed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Kavanaugh denying he did it is pretty bad considering it's corroborated through therapist notes. He seemed like a douche the way he conducted himself in front of the Parkland father, but this is on another level now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Kavanaugh denying he did it is pretty bad considering it's corroborated through therapist notes. He seemed like a douche the way he conducted himself in front of the Parkland father, but this is on another level now. Obviously what happened is the Democrats had Soros pay for lizard people time travel technology so Ben Ghazi could plant those therapist notes to make Trump look bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Dems shouldn't limit themselves to Collins/Murkowski: Put pressure on Corker, too, since he's also retiring. Put pressure on Dean Heller who's running a tight race in Nevada. Spread it around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Kavanaugh denying he did it is pretty bad considering it's corroborated through therapist notes. He seemed like a douche the way he conducted himself in front of the Parkland father, but this is on another level now. No wonder Kavanaugh was the only one Turtle was worried about his ability to get confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Can’t the GOP nominate a judge who hasn’t attempted to rape someone? Like, are they that focused on a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: Dems shouldn't limit themselves to Collins/Murkowski: Put pressure on Corker, too, since he's also retiring. Put pressure on Dean Heller who's running a tight race in Nevada. Spread it around. dont be fooled. we all know how this is going to end up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted September 16, 2018 Share Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Firewithin said: dont be fooled. we all know how this is going to end up I think I've had my fill of anyone here saying how something will end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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