stepee Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Just now, TwinIon said: That reminds me that I need to change my tier. I had a really cheap ultimate sub for a while, but I don't really use the console anymore, so I should be on PC Gamepass. Or the cheap Ultimate is still also available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 hours ago, crispy4000 said: Switch Lite illustrates it truly has nothing to do with being a console player either. You can bet whatever Microsoft handheld comes next wouldn’t drop the online fee either. And that a hypothetical second attempt at a Steam Machine would lack one. Its merely the companies that were traditionally in a position to charge that opt to. Even if they’re competing with the Deck and such, they’ll still do it. They’re addicted to that gravy train. I am not sure what point you are making. If you decide to buy in to a closed ecosystem, you are, by default, buying into the rules of that ecosystem. MS has charged a fee for online play for decades. If someone isn't interested in the platform, there are lots of gaming platforms without monthly fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexterryu Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 As an occasional PC Game pass user this is still a really good deal. When they release a game I want to play, I sign up for $12 play it and then cancel. It's relatively rare that they have a continuous amount of games that I have the time to play so I just sign up for the stuff I want. It's had a fairly negative affect on my steam game purchases too because I can fairly confidently wait for wishlist games to show up on game pass so unless they get to $12 or less I usually don't purchase outside of games I really want to play day 1 and/or want to support the developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Xbox is slowly dying for me. I'll eventually be a PC/Nintendo fanboy soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 14 minutes ago, Best said: Xbox is slowly dying for me. I'll eventually be a Nintendo fanboy soon. Fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Just now, Biggie said: Fixed I will need ways to play Sony's exclusives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 23 hours ago, AbsolutSurgen said: I am not sure what point you are making. If you decide to buy in to a closed ecosystem, you are, by default, buying into the rules of that ecosystem. MS has charged a fee for online play for decades. If someone isn't interested in the platform, there are lots of gaming platforms without monthly fees. My point is that Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have each dug into the idea that online gameplay shouldn’t be free on dedicated gaming hardware. It’s not just a Microsoft thing. They’ve all decided it should be the norm, because that’s what they want. They can price it at whatever amount they feel is appropriate that doesn't generate too much blowback. That's bad for us overall, and always was, but is even more troubling with each of the 3 major players in on it, as we see from recent price hikes. In the long run, I’m not sure how sustainable that vision is. Pay to play multiplayer is losing its relevancy with younger generations, PC is taking off in more territories than the past, etc. We’re stuck with the consoles doing it for now, but I’ll continue holding out hope that the market can be disrupted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 According to Jez Corden, Microsoft told him that the length of time for the "Day One Ultimate" exclusives to cycle into the "Standard" library would be on a "case by cases basis between 6 and 12 months and sometimes longer." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaethos Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 So basically it will go on standard gamepass at the same time they release the game on Playstation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 I asked the question on ResetERA and the consensus is that the "Day One Ultimate" exclusives refers to all games, whether first-party or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 12 hours ago, jaethos said: So basically it will go on standard gamepass at the same time they release the game on Playstation. Now that you put it that way, that genuinely appears to be the intended strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 51 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I asked the question on ResetERA and the consensus is that the "Day One Ultimate" exclusives refers to all games, whether first-party or otherwise. Well your first mistake was asking there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Xbox Considers Raising Game Pass Price to $70 Per New Game T.CO "These kinds of never-before-seen tactics are why gamers choose us, other than the looming threat of exclusive Elder Scrolls.” Quote REDMOND – Xbox is considering a new pricing strategy for their Game Pass service, charging users a one-time $70 per game fee (only on games they want) instead of a monthly fee, executives at the company confirmed. “I think gamers would be very thankful to be able to play their games whenever they want,” explained Xbox boss Phil Spencer. “This exciting new pricing strategy will allow our players to keep enjoying their games even after they’re taken off of Game Pass. Not only that, but they’ll be able to choose whether they want to pay for a certain game or skip it and wait for something they’re excited for. These kinds of never-before-seen tactics are why gamers choose us, other than the looming threat of exclusive Elder Scrolls.” Henry Giorgio, a long-time Game Pass subscriber, said he welcomed the possible change with open arms. “I kinda like the idea of just picking the games I want and paying for those”, said Giorgio. “The freedom of choice is like no other. It can get really embarrassing paying for a month to play a new game and it ends up being Redfall. I’ll be sure to never make that mistake again.”’ Developers across the gaming industry have been enthusiastic at the rumors, believing that the pay-as-you-play model will serve for bigger revenues. “People are too snooty to buy an indie game that costs more than twenty bucks, but they’ll sure as hell pay for Game Pass to play it,” said one indie developer who wished to remain anonymous in fear of professional retaliation. “We worked on our latest game for seven years only for it to be shat out in the same lineup as five Call of Duty games and some Paw Patrol shovelware. Maybe if they know our game is the one they’re paying for, they’ll actually go out and play it for once.” Xbox’s main competitors at Sony have been relieved at the possible price change, believing that if they follow suit they can stop pretending to give a shit about the Playstation Plus catalog. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spawn_of_Apathy Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 At this point I only keep ultimate because occasionally my friends want to play a game on there that does not have cross play, like we recently played Dead Island 2 for several weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 FTC Blasts Xbox Game Pass Price Increase and New Tiers as 'Product Degradation' - IGN WWW.IGN.COM The FTC blasted the Xbox Game Price increases in a new filing, describing the new Standard tier as "product degradation" and claiming that the increases are inconsistent with its arguments from last year's trial. Quote A new Federal Trade Commission (FTC) filing in the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals is taking aim at the recent Xbox Game Pass price increase, saying that it vindicates "the congressional design of preliminarily halting mergers to full evaluate their likely competitive effects." The filing argues that the price increase, which was announced July 9, is "inconsistent" with the case it made during last year's Xbox FTC trial. In breaking down the new revised service, the FTC filing describes the new Standard tier as a "degraded product" that withholds day-one releases while still representing an increase over the original Console Game Pass tier. "Product degradation — removing the most valuable games from Microsoft's new service — combined with price increases for existing users, is exactly the sort of consumer harm from the merger the FTC has alleged," the filing reads. It also notes that the price increase coincides with Call of Duty being added to the most expensive tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 7/19/2024 at 8:40 AM, Keyser_Soze said: FTC Blasts Xbox Game Pass Price Increase and New Tiers as 'Product Degradation' - IGN WWW.IGN.COM The FTC blasted the Xbox Game Price increases in a new filing, describing the new Standard tier as "product degradation" and claiming that the increases are inconsistent with its arguments from last year's trial. Microsoft Responds To FTC Over Xbox Game Pass Price Increase - Insider Gaming INSIDER-GAMING.COM Microsoft has issued a response to FTC's complaint over the recent price increase to Xbox Game Pass, calling it "misleading" Quote After the United States Federal Trade Commission (FTC) publicly stated that the recent price increase and tier changes to Xbox Game Pass would inflict “consumer harm”, Microsoft has come back with a message of their own. In a new filing (via The Verge), Microsoft says that the FTC’s letter is “misleading” and gives an “extra-record account of the facts.” “It is wrong to call this [Xbox Game Pass Standard] a “degraded” version of the discontinued Game Pass for Console offering,” Microsoft says. “That discontinued product did not offer multiplayer functionality, which had to be purchased separately for an additional $9.99/month (making the total cost $20.98/month). While Game Pass Ultimate’s price will increase from $16.99 to $19.99/month, the service will offer more value through many new games available “day-and-date.” Among them is the upcoming release of Call of Duty, which has never before been available on a subscription day-and-date.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 Y'all a bunch of suckers. Never trust a corporation. (And especially never trust any who makes games.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy4000 Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 If Microsoft truly meant their words they would have kept it closer to the current structure but raised prices. Forcing people who want day one games to pay for multiplayer as well is the whole point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsolutSurgen Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 It is a very common tactic for corporations to make ludicrous promises during antitrust investigations, and then not follow them soon after it goes through. It's not about "keeping their word". Corporations aren't people. Their legal team makes arguments that the business people may not even be fully aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted July 22 Share Posted July 22 16 minutes ago, AbsolutSurgen said: Corporations aren't people. I could have SWORN the Supreme Court said they were... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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