nublood Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Keaton never really nailed the physicality of Batman... he was too short, couldn't turn his neck and his fight scenes were shit. Plus his Batman was a hybrid the Adam West campy Batman of the 60's and the modern age Batman post Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Bale's Batman was closer to the modern interpretation of Batman, but lacked the scientific and Detective skills of comic Batman. Did Bale's Batman really seem like a guy who planned ahead? Affleck's older, more world weary Batman was the closest to how Batman is portrayed in the comics currently. A paranoid loner who hopes for the best but plans for the worse, is scientifically gifted and a brilliant detective. Plus he moved and fought like... Batman. That's what I'm talking about. NONE of the Batman on screen have been perfect. But Affleck's comes the closest to how he's portrayed in the current comics in my opinion despite the quality of the movies he's been in. EDIT: Amy Addams is done as Lois Lane and let's slip that "They are revamping the DCEU" Good. Amy Adams was miscast anyway. But at least she was better than cardboard Kate Bosworth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, skillzdadirecta said: Keaton never really nailed the physicality of Batman... he was too short, couldn't turn his neck and his fight scenes were shit. Plus his Batman was a hybrid the Adam West campy Batman of the 60's and the modern age Batman post Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Bale's Batman was closer to the modern interpretation of Batman, but lacked the scientific and Detective skills of comic Batman. Did Bale's Batman really seem like a guy who planned ahead? Affleck's older, more world weary Batman was the closest to how Batman is portrayed in the comics currently. A paranoid loner who hopes for the best but plans for the worse, is scientifically gifted and a brilliant detective. Plus he moved and fought like... Batman. That's what I'm talking about. NONE of the Batman on screen have been perfect. But Affleck's comes the closest to how he's portrayed in the current comics in my opinion despite the quality of the movies he's been in. EDIT: Amy Addams is done as Lois Lane and let's slip that "They are revamping the DCEU" Keaton, the sword fight in the alley was done well enough, as was the fight against the big goon in the cathedral.. just dont ask Keaton bats to show u his arms Bale, planning and detective work... he did investigations to get info from flass about the drugs, scoped out the house in the narrows, took on Ras on Train with gordon as backup in tumbler.... used irradiated bills to track mob money... was so genius that he got fingerprint off a bullet in a method so convoluted scholars still trying to decipher it... knew all the cops by name and had general knowledge of them... the Lau capture was well synchronized... Pruitt building takedown was done on the fly to save lives... What Bale needed was a better fight/action choreographer.. and a friend good enough to slap him out of that dark knight voice.. Affleck Batman.. well I accept his state of mind and why he acts the way he does.. there just wasnt enough "true" batman in there for me... he deserved a better film.. I dont count Justice League (just imagening his stupid fangirl fawning when Superman arrives at the final battle)...🤢 i guess I would still choose Bale, but put Affleck in the Dark Knight and its perfect.. I still insist Dark Knight Rises is a clusterfuck of missed opportunities.. Bane and Catwoman are the only redeeming parts.. Well that and "Risen from Darkness on the soundtrack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Bale's Batman lacked the scientific and detective skills? Um, did we watch different movies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 An accountant figured out who Bale's Batman was... an accountant. Think about that and come back and tell me he's a guy who "plans for every contingency." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: An accountant figured out who Bale's Batman was... an accountant. Think about that and come back and tell me he's a guy who "plans for every contingency." Well he didnt exactly figure it out cause he heard Bruce Wayne cough.. he was digging into the files of the Company digging for stuff... its a plausible thing that makes sense... its an alternate way of addressing questions as to why nobody at Wayne company recognizes the vehicle, its no more a silly situation than where a man builds an entire suit of armor in a cave with no tech beyond plot armor of hes a genius... plus if he planned for every contingency there would be no movie all crime is solved 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, 5timechamp said: Well he didnt exactly figure it out cause he heard Bruce Wayne cough.. he was digging into the files of the Company digging for stuff... its a plausible thing that makes sense... its an alternate way of addressing questions as to why nobody at Wayne company recognizes the vehicle, its no more a silly situation than where a man builds an entire suit of armor in a cave with no tech beyond plot armor of hes a genius... plus if he planned for every contingency there would be no movie all crime is solved 🤔 It fits this Batman and the more realistic and grounded approach Nolan took in making these films sure... and I don't dispute that. Which is why I said Affleck's Batman is closer to the comic book version who would have never been that sloppy and would have planned for some thing like that. Again.... my initial statement was Affleck's Batman is the closest to the comic book version. Not that he was the most "realistic" version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 But didnt u say he was closest to comic book batman cause he was "A paranoid loner who hopes for the best but plans for the worse, is scientifically gifted and a brilliant detective." I listed examples of that but now its just realistic but not comic accurate.. the hell? Either way, Affleck is a big loss (on par with losing Cavill), I had hoped he'd have enough enjoyment from the role to get us that Reeves film made.. thats a big missed opportunity.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 1 minute ago, 5timechamp said: But didnt u say he was closest to comic book batman cause he was "A paranoid loner who hopes for the best but plans for the worse, is scientifically gifted and a brilliant detective." I listed examples of that but now its just realistic but not comic accurate.. the hell? Either way, Affleck is a big loss (on par with losing Cavill), I had hoped he'd have enough enjoyment from the role to get us that Reeves film made.. thats a big missed opportunity.. Holy shit... I never said anything about "comic accuracy". I said he was the closest to the comic book interpretation of the character and I gave reasons why I thought he was. Bale's Batman wasn't close to the comic interpretation because it was never intended to be. Nolan never wanted an "Uber Batman" who could take on Galactus with enough planning and prep time so he didn't portray him that way deliberately. Snyder and Affleck's Batman was literally pulled from The Dark Knight Returns. Like LITERALLY. That doesn't make Nolan and Bale's Batman inferior in any way. Just that he's "NOT AS CLOSE TO THE COMIC" As Affleck's Batman. Does he have characteristics inherent to the character? Sure. But they were distilled through a "real world" lens designed to ground the character in a believable world which was Nolan's approach to the character. Again, nothing wrong with that, but they deliberately moved away from the more comic-booky elements of the character. Snyder and Affleck didn't. Which is why I made my initial statement. If you disagree... cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I hated Affleck’s Batman and a big part of that is the movies he is in are awful. He can’t redeem a single part of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Batfleck is terrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I would agree with @skillzdadirecta that Afflecks Batman was by far the closest to a true comic book representation of Batman we’ve gotten. I enjoyed his take on it a lot. Even though Bales Batman did do some planning and detective work it really all felt more of a side thing. I dunno it’s hard to describe. Never at any point did it feel like he actually was a brilliant scientist or detective he just kinda did some stuff to move the story forward. I had no issue with it because that’s not what his Batman was about. Like Skillz said Nolan’s Batman and that entire world was about grounding the Suoerhero in a real life setting. As people said when The Dark Knight game out. You can take Batman out of that movie and it’s still a great crime drama. Affleck on the other hand, they made those aspects of character central to it. He beats Superman because of those things. Not saying one is better than the other(although I think Affleck did the best job of nailing both Bruce and Batman) just that Afflecks is the closest to the comics which was cool to finally see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Batman’s borderine supernatural ability to plan ahead is one of the silliest things about how he’s been written for a while now. It’s... dumb. Batman does some good detective work in the Nolan movies, he’s just not a precog, which is more in line with how someone with a pathological need to be Batman should behave anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 54 minutes ago, Mercury33 said: I would agree with @skillzdadirecta that Afflecks Batman was by far the closest to a true comic book representation of Batman we’ve gotten. I enjoyed his take on it a lot. Even though Bales Batman did do some planning and detective work it really all felt more of a side thing. I dunno it’s hard to describe. Never at any point did it feel like he actually was a brilliant scientist or detective he just kinda did some stuff to move the story forward. I had no issue with it because that’s not what his Batman was about. Like Skillz said Nolan’s Batman and that entire world was about grounding the Suoerhero in a real life setting. As people said when The Dark Knight game out. You can take Batman out of that movie and it’s still a great crime drama. Affleck on the other hand, they made those aspects of character central to it. He beats Superman because of those things. Not saying one is better than the other(although I think Affleck did the best job of nailing both Bruce and Batman) just that Afflecks is the closest to the comics which was cool to finally see. THANK YOU. That's the point I was making exactly. 19 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Batman’s borderine supernatural ability to plan ahead is one of the silliest things about how he’s been written for a while now. It’s... dumb. Batman does some good detective work in the Nolan movies, he’s just not a precog, which is more in line with how someone with a pathological need to be Batman should behave anyway. Blame Frank Miller and Grant Morrison for that... Frank started it with Dark Knight Returns and having Bats beat Superman with planning and forethought. Morrison took the concept to the extreme and really went all in with the concept of the "Uber Bat" who could single handedly take down the Justice League if he wanted to. I like the idea that a normal human would have to be REALLY smart and devious to be able to play in a world with dudes that can toss planets around, but they had Batman beat the shit out of Darkseid... SEVERAL TIMES The one time Captain America fought Thanos toe to toe, he got his shield broken along with his neck Great last stand though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Blame Frank Miller and Grant Morrison for that... Believe me, I do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 #NotMyBatman #Emotional #NerdsRule #lyfe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: Batman’s borderine supernatural ability to plan ahead is one of the silliest things about how he’s been written for a while now. It’s... dumb. Batman does some good detective work in the Nolan movies, he’s just not a precog, which is more in line with how someone with a pathological need to be Batman should behave anyway. The Justice League: a bunch of superheros and the rich guy they let hang out with them because he pays for all the costumes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoxFan9 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 the real batman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 hours ago, RedSoxFan9 said: the real batman Fake news, this would require Trump to know who Bruce Wayne is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Any reasoning for Batman beating Superman is dumb. I hate the “if Batman has time to plan he can beat anybody!” Thing comic book fans constantly say because the writer wanted Batman to win in whatever fucking comic it is. He’s great as his own thing in his world. I hate these Batman vs VERY STRONG SUPERNATURAL BEING discussions ending with people actually picking Batman. This is essentially why a batman vs Superman movie can never work unless Superman absolutely beats the shit out of him for 2 hours. Batman couldn’t even beat Spider-Man or iron man. He’s not touching Superman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 People just like Batman more than all the other DC characters and because he's human they want him to be best because they're projecting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 3 hours ago, 2user1cup said: People just like Batman more than all the other DC characters and because he's human they want him to be best because they're projecting Yeah probably doesn't have anything to do with most of the other DC characters being super lame or irrelevant in pop culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, 2user1cup said: People just like Batman more than all the other DC characters and because he's human they want him to be best because they're projecting We'll he's probably the most "Marvel-like" of all the DC characters who were created in a different time and had to be retconned into being relatable. I'm not the biggest Batman fan in the world but it's quite a stretch to poo-poo the character's popularity and appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: We'll he's probably the most "Marvel-like" of all the DC characters who were created in a different time and had to be retconned into being relatable. I'm not the biggest Batman fan in the world but it's quite a stretch to poo-poo the character's popularity and appeal. My friends kid favorite superhero is Batman! He will lose his mind when he sees all the different Batmobiles i bought him for Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Remarkableriots said: My friends kid favorite superhero is Batman! He will lose his mind when he sees all the different Batmobiles i bought him for Christmas. Must be cause he’s projecting his humanity onto him 🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 14, 2018 Author Share Posted December 14, 2018 Jason Momoa says Cavill ain't leaving Superman Also the next Wonder Woman isn't coming out until 2020?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikachu Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 Yes, it was pushed back 7 months because The Six Billion Dollar Man was taken off the release calendar by WB: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/wonder-woman-1984-moves-summer-2020-1154205 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kal-El814 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Snyder is a fucking dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Kal-El814 said: Snyder is a fucking dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Snyder has a couple of decent movies from years ago. All his recent work has been awful. Guy should be banished from DC movie talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Christian Bale was the best overall. Affleck was just a murderous, sociopathic, asshole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokt Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't think I've seen a movie where I actually like Affleck as an actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Christian Bale was the worst Batman ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Nokt said: I don't think I've seen a movie where I actually like Affleck as an actor. Argo? Gone Girl? Casing Amy? The Town? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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