CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 13 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: He signed the checks while president. Did he really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 It's an official act when a Republican does it and an unofficial act when a Democrat does it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Did he really? Yeah, it was talked about at his trial.... Quote “Somehow we would have to get a package down to the White House, get it down to the president, get the president to sign the checks, get the checks returned to us and then have the checks mailed out,” said Jeff McConney, the former Trump Organization controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, Jason said: It's an official act when a Republican does it and an unofficial act when a Democrat does it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: Yeah, it was talked about at his trial.... Yeah, I haven’t followed that too closely in an effort to preserve my sanity. I thought the whole thing was he paid the hush money in an effort to influence the election. But whatever, nothing fucking matters anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Yeah, I haven’t followed that too closely in an effort to preserve my sanity. I thought the whole thing was he paid the hush money in an effort to influence the election. But whatever, nothing fucking matters anymore. Long story short, the deal was done before the election to help him win. Cohen paid Clifford before the election. Trump didn't sign the checks to reimburse Cohen until he was in office. There's actually a bit more to it than that, there was something of a standing catch and kill order for these stories, but that's the basics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 So do all those things cited in the declaration count as official acts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 6 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: So do all those things cited in the declaration count as official acts? Quote He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries …. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, Lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It’s quite telling that CJ Roberts opinion relies almost entirely on Nixon v Fitzgerald, and a few Trump cases since 2018, while Sotomayor’s dissent relies heavily on the literal Constitution and a number of different Federal Papers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: You see personal/business checks signed by the president are official presidential acts because the president signs bills into law Only if he uses the same Sharpie for both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Massdriver Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Quote In her own separate concurrence, Justice Amy Coney Barrett agreed with the majority “that the Constitution prohibits Congress from criminalizing a President’s exercise” of his core constitutional powers and “closely related conduct.” But she would have courts approach the question of immunity for other official acts differently, by focusing first on whether the criminal law under which a former president is charged applies to his official acts and, if so, whether prosecuting the former president would interfere with his constitutional authority. Reading SCOTUS blog and it’s remarkable that they didn’t at least limit the immunity as Barrett suggests. Quote The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The Federalist Papers : No. 69 This stuff only matters whenever it works in their favor. Perhaps this will be overruled one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 whelp they're officially going with "vote harder!" Quote “I know I will respect the limits of presidential power as I have for the three-and-a-half years, but any president, including Donald Trump, will now be free to ignore the law,” Biden said. https://apnews.com/article/biden-election-2024-debate-c47243b3cedb88ce6ea7905a1975e164 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 If dems weren't sure Biden should be replaced last nights speech should have proved to them he should, it was pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Donald Trump says fake electors scheme was "official act" WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM The Supreme Court has ruled that former presidents are immune from official acts undertaken during their presidencies. Shocker I know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 As for the hush money sentencing... Prosecutors in Trump's hush money case say they don't oppose delaying his sentencing WWW.NBCNEWS.COM The former president is seeking to have the verdict in the hush money case set aside in light of the Supreme Court's ruling Monday that he has some immunity for actions he took as president in his separate election interference case. Quote Prosecutors in the Manhattan district attorney's office said Tuesday that they don't oppose delaying the sentencing of Donald Trump in his hush money case given the Supreme Court's ruling Monday that he has immunity for some of his actions as president in his separate election interference case. Several assistant district attorneys made their position known in a letter to New York Judge Juan Merchan, who's presiding over the hush money case. Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records related to a hush money payment his former lawyer Michael Cohen made to adult film actor Stormy Daniels at the end of the 2016 presidential campaign to cover up an alleged affair. Trump denies any affair with Daniels. He was scheduled to be sentenced on July 11, but that hearing now will likely be pushed back until after the Republican National Convention, which begins July 15. Quote “Although we believe defendant’s arguments to be without merit, we do not oppose his request for leave to file and his putative request to adjourn sentencing pending determination of his motion,” the prosecutors wrote to Merchan. The prosecutors asked that Trump’s legal team file the request to adjourn the sentencing hearing by July 24, two weeks after the original requested deadline. The letter was signed by the assistant district attorneys who prosecuted the hush money case, including Joshua Steinglass, Matthew Colangelo, Christopher Conroy, Susan Hoffinger and Becky Mangold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 4 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Donald Trump says fake electors scheme was "official act" WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM The Supreme Court has ruled that former presidents are immune from official acts undertaken during their presidencies. Shocker I know Gonna be the political equivalent of spamming the leg sweep button... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 20 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: If dems weren't sure Biden should be replaced last nights speech should have proved to them he should, it was pathetic. While there were no verbal miscues, he sounded really tired and deflated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 20 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Donald Trump says fake electors scheme was "official act" WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM The Supreme Court has ruled that former presidents are immune from official acts undertaken during their presidencies. Shocker I know Well since it's not, is he just admitting his guilt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 22 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: While there were no verbal miscues, he sounded really tired and deflated. To be fair, I think a lot of us on here are too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 8 hours ago, Jason said: whelp they're officially going with "vote harder!" https://apnews.com/article/biden-election-2024-debate-c47243b3cedb88ce6ea7905a1975e164 Not a whole lot else to recommend. The Supreme Court is unaccountable, and thanks to 3 people nominated by a President not even elected by the American people, not even pretending they don't favor one side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, finaljedi said: Not a whole lot else to recommend. The Supreme Court is unaccountable, and thanks to 3 people nominated by a President not even elected by the American people, not even pretending they don't favor one side. Biden using these powers SCOTUS says the president has to protect the country seems like an obvious thing to recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 10 minutes ago, Jason said: Biden using these powers SCOTUS says the president has to protect the country seems like an obvious thing to recommend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: As for the hush money sentencing... Prosecutors in Trump's hush money case say they don't oppose delaying his sentencing WWW.NBCNEWS.COM The former president is seeking to have the verdict in the hush money case set aside in light of the Supreme Court's ruling Monday that he has some immunity for actions he took as president in his separate election interference case. Painfully stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: As for the hush money sentencing... Prosecutors in Trump's hush money case say they don't oppose delaying his sentencing WWW.NBCNEWS.COM The former president is seeking to have the verdict in the hush money case set aside in light of the Supreme Court's ruling Monday that he has some immunity for actions he took as president in his separate election interference case. Aaaaaand it's been postponed to September 18. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblfilms Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I thought this was a helpful image that aligned with how I understood the ruling. Rather importantly, an act is not official or unofficial simply by declaration of the executive. The constitution itself, as well as congress and the judiciary play an important role here. Still a little too vague for my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 I find that chart makes it even more confusing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 26 minutes ago, sblfilms said: I thought this was a helpful image that aligned with how I understood the ruling. Rather importantly, an act is not official or unofficial simply by declaration of the executive. The constitution itself, as well as congress and the judiciary play an important role here. Still a little too vague for my liking. lol at thinking this SCOTUS would use any chart other than 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It is indeed odd that people still think the actual document is the constitution and not whatever SCOTUS says at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 "if such is still necessary" https://bsky.app/profile/joshuajfriedman.com/post/3kwd3gy36h52h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblfilms Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 35 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: It is indeed odd that people still think the actual document is the constitution and not whatever SCOTUS says at this point. This has been the case for roughly 221 years. The chart posted is about how a federal court is to decide such matters of federal prosecution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 39 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: It is indeed odd that people still think the actual document is the constitution and not whatever SCOTUS says at this point. The US constitution is a religious document, not a governing document. Quote me on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblfilms Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 45 minutes ago, ort said: I find that chart makes it even more confusing... Is there something specific that you find confusing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 The chart is pretty clear on the actual process. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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