Jason Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleronin Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 So now we have to argue over what is an official and unofficial act... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Just now, Littleronin said: So now we have to argue over what is an official and unofficial act... Exactly. This was pretty much the ruling that just about everyone expected would be handed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Biden, officially call up Seal Team 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Presumptive immunity FOR “official” acts is WILD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Of course, Thomas calls into question the legality of the existence of the Office of the Special Counsel to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Shit hole country 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 cool final nail just dropped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CayceG Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentbob Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I shall post the ending ro the movie America. Every time I post it, it gets closer and closer to be the true reality (skip to the 1min mark and start) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I haven't had a lot of time to dig into the decision, but it sounds like the court rejected Trump's argument that a president would first have to be impeached and convicted by the Senate in order to be criminally charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 13 minutes ago, Firewithin said: Are you related to Alito's wife? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Wonderfully Thomas has given judge cannon a playbook on how to slow walk and undermine the special council entirely in his concurrence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Further it really gives presumptive immunity for Trump or any president to do basically whatever in the name of “national security” and so long as it is an “official act” (which also btw you can’t use the testimony of advisors to the president to determine if it’s official or not per SCOTUS) the president has presumptive immunity and would take YEARS to sort out in court at best honestly just Waco mar a lago and the conservative justices, Trump is a clear threat to national security Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link200 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Sounds like it is time for Biden to add some new justices to the SCOTUS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 This ruling plainly states that the Trump's discussions with the Acting AG and VP were official acts with the DoJ interactions receiving "absolute" immunity while the discussions with Pence receive "presumptive" immunity: Quote Certain allegations – such as those involving Trump’s discussions with the Acting Attorney General — are readily categorized in light of the nature of the president’s official relationship to the office held by that individual. Quote Whenever the President and Vice President discuss their official responsibilities, they engage in official conduct. Presiding over the January 6 certification proceeding at which Members of Congress count the electoral votes is a constitutional and statutory duty of the Vice President. Art. II, §1, cl. 3; Amdt. 12; 3 U. S. C. §15. The indictment's allegations that Trump attempted to pressure the Vice President to take particular acts in connection with his role at the certification proceeding thus involve official conduct, and Trump is at least presumptively immune from prosecution for such conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Remember guys, it's only illegal if a Democrat does it. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Lol they really don't think democrats are going to do shit. Because they won't. Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 5 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Lol they really don't think democrats are going to do shit. Because they won't. Unbelievable. We need one of those corrupt democrats in the whitehouse. What happened to that NYC guy with the $10k/night hookers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 12 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: This ruling plainly states that the Trump's discussions with the Acting AG and VP were official acts with the DoJ interactions receiving "absolute" immunity while the discussions with Pence receive "presumptive" immunity: Basically if you’re in the government there is a presumption of immunity to anything you say or do regarding “official acts” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 SCOTUS only goal is to make this a dysfunctional country that they rule and profit from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Basically if you’re in the government there is a presumption of immunity to anything you say or do regarding “official acts” That is the long and short of this ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, Jason said: That part practically eliminates any possibility of future prosecutions of presidents unless they were really, really stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: That part practically eliminates any possibility of future prosecutions of presidents unless they were really, really stupid. Which is good for the prosecution of Trump lmao 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 ...I am so tired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 I violently don’t care about any of this anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Yep, the court found no protection from prosecution because they weren't previously impeached and convicted by the senate. From Chief Justice Robers: Quote The implication of Trump’s theory is that a President who evades impeachment for one reason or another during his term in office can never be held accountable for his criminal acts in the ordinary course of law. So if a President manages to conceal certain crimes throughout his Presidency, or if Congress is unable to muster the political will to impeach the President for his crimes, then they must forever remain impervious to prosecution. Impeachment is a political process by which Congress can remove a President who has committed “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” Art. II, §4. Transforming that political process into a necessary step in the enforcement of criminal law finds little support in the text of the Constitution or the structure of our Government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: Yep, the court found no protection from prosecution because they weren't previously impeached and convicted by the senate. From Chief Justice Robers: Golly gee shucks sorry Donny best we can do is delay, delay, delay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Congratulation America on your first (post revolution) king! Happy Monarch's day everyone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 So under this, George W can't be prosecuted for setting up an illegal wiretap and torture program. So a president that just starts torturing citizens of the United States is immune if the president does it as an official act, as in the name of national security. Seems like a president can do whatever they like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Also this ruling would seem to explicitly legalize bribing the president per Justice Barrett’s concurrence because considering the official act of the president seems to be off limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 The fact that this is a real quote is kind of hilarious to me: Quote The President is not above the law. But page 8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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