California Plastic Bag Ban Plastic Bag Ban

[chakoo]

Some of you guys need to stop being lazy fucks and bring a bag. It’s not that difficult, I do it all the damn time and you can get re-usable that are small enough to fit in your pockets.

 

Do you buy multiple phones every week because you left your phone at home?

[Keyser_Soze]

27 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Then… they don’t do this now  

 

I thought you were insinuating that new jersey had biodegradable thick plastic bags.

 

Also, the article says paper bags will still be available so it's not like people will have zero options.

[Spork3245]

1 hour ago, chakoo said:

Some of you guys need to stop being lazy fucks and bring a bag. It’s not that difficult, I do it all the damn time and you can get re-usable that are small enough to fit in your pockets.

I have a ton of them, but my issue is that these stores should be using biodegradables and not charging for + profiting on totes/whatever.

 

58 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said:

 

I thought you were insinuating that new jersey had biodegradable thick plastic bags.

 

Also, the article says paper bags will still be available so it's not like people will have zero options.

 

I was saying that grocery stores should be forced to replace plastic bags with biodegradable bags at their own expense. The cost shouldn't be pushed onto the consumer where these chains suddenly get to profit off of these laws as they're charging 0.10/bag for those paper ones.

[Spork3245]

Just did a quick look, those paper bags cost about $0.05 each in 500 count bundles. I'm sure it's even cheaper for grocery chains who are buying them in the 10k+ range at a time, but, let's go with that 5 cents - chains now get to make 100% profit off every bag that they previously gave you for free. Capitalism folks.

[Xbob42]

All this talk about reusable bags and "wanting the GOP to win the state in the future" (???) stores will still have paper bags ya overreacting fucks. And you can still bring your own plastic bags you've been hoarding in your pantry for 30 years if you want. None of it is a big deal. People react so outrageously stupid to change.

[Spork3245]

2 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

stores will still have paper bags

 

That they're now charging for when people are already complaining about grocery prices  

Fuck these grocery chains. If this actually helped the environment I wouldn't care, but it just benefits grocery stores in no longer needing to provide and spend money on bags for customers. As it stands, it's basically 1:1 in terms of environmental impact with reusable vs plastic bags.

[Xbob42]

10 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

That they're now charging for when people are already complaining about grocery prices  

Fuck these grocery chains. If this actually helped the environment I wouldn't care, but it just benefits grocery stores in no longer needing to provide and spend money on bags for customers. As it stands, it's basically 1:1 in terms of environmental impact with reusable vs plastic bags.

They've been charging for like half a decade.

[Spork3245]

7 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

They've been charging for like half a decade.

 

I have no idea where you live, but that's not the case in NJ. Bags have always been complimentary, and still are at places like best buy or when picking up take out orders. It's always been this way in PA (Philly area) for me as well as Delaware. 

[Xbob42]

Bags haven't been complementary here in a good long while! I mean most places will still actually give them for free and they don't give a shit, but they're technically supposed to be 10 cents.

[Spork3245]

Just now, Xbob42 said:

Bags haven't been complementary here in a good long while! I mean most places will still actually give them for free and they don't give a shit, but they're technically supposed to be 10 cents.

 

So, your state went anti-consumer long before it was cool  

[Keyser_Soze]

1 hour ago, Keyser_Soze said:

They say they charge for them but from my experience rarely do. Especially if you bring your own and you need an extra. They just give you the bag. 🤷

 

Come on fellas I already covered this. @Xbob42 and I live in the same state. New Hampshire.

[Spork3245]

My biggest issue is still that reusables don't help the environment and this needs to be biodegradables, though. 

[Xbob42]

I mean, none of this shit actually matters at all and is not a big deal, but sure. What I'm saying is this isn't some big change that's "gonna give the state to the GOP" or enrage people. Nobody actually cares.

 

I personally love unlimited free plastic bags, as I also used them as trash bags, but somehow I've survived.

And the paper bags are definitely biodegradable!

[Spork3245]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

 

Come on fellas I already covered this. @Xbob42 and I live in the same state. New Hampshire.

 

I read your comment and ignored it because "you sometimes get them for free" isn't really a great argument in my mind  

[MarSolo]

Those paper bags suck when you have frozen items.

 

Bought a bunch of ice cream and frozen veggies on the last day of the sale and let’s just say those paper bags were ripped by the time I got home.

[Spork3245]

1 minute ago, Xbob42 said:

What I'm saying is this isn't some big change that's "gonna give the state to the GOP"

 

I agree with you there and I wasn't the one saying that - it's a hell of an extreme take on it  

 

1 minute ago, Xbob42 said:

or enrage people. Nobody actually cares.

 

You'd be surprised: you should have seen the lady from PA checking out in front of me the other week.  

 

1 minute ago, Xbob42 said:

And the paper bags are definitely biodegradable!

 

So are the totes, but the environmental impact is my issue, and paper isn't all that much better than either the plastic or reusables afaik (though, unlike the reusables, at least it is a little better  )

[Spork3245]

I just checked, according to a study it takes about 3 uses of a paper bag to offset the environmental impact vs using plastic bags. That's a lot better than the "every day for about 50 years" mark it takes for totes at least  

*Paper bag production requires more energy than plastic bag production, and since they're heavier, the transportation of them has a higher fuel/emissions impact as well.

[Keyser_Soze]

9 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

 

I read your comment and ignored it because "you sometimes get them for free" isn't really a great argument in my mind  

 

Let's put it this way, I've never been charged for one. I can't say that it happens 100% of the time but in my experience it is "rare" not "sometimes"

[Spork3245]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

I've never been charged for one.

 

Not everyone has your good looks and charm, though.

[Keyser_Soze]

5 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

*Paper bag production requires more energy than plastic bag production, and since they're heavier, the transportation of them has a higher fuel/emissions impact as well.

 

And starting in 2028, stores’ paper bags will be required to be composed of at least 50% postconsumer recycled materials.

[Spork3245]

Just now, Keyser_Soze said:

 

And starting in 2028, stores’ paper bags will be required to be composed of at least 50% postconsumer recycled materials.

 

Yes, I saw, but that doesn't affect what I said: they still require more energy to produce vs plastic and the environmental impact winds up being a wash.  

[Spork3245]

Alright, here's how we fix it:

We invent teleportation.

Groceries just appear in your teleportation device upon ordering. No bags necessary! No fuel to go places either... in fact... you don't even need to use any type of consumable energy to travel, and now cars/trucks/planes/trains are all irrelevant! USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, all defunct! Now we just need a scientist or two and an investor. Let's go!

*This is why teleportation will never exist even if it were ever to become possible. How many major industries would just get "instakilled"?  

[Keyser_Soze]

10 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Alright, here's how we fix it:

We invent teleportation.

Groceries just appear in your teleportation device upon ordering. No bags necessary! No fuel to go places either... in fact... you don't even need to use any type of consumable energy to travel, and now cars/trucks/planes/trains are all irrelevant! USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, all defunct! Now we just need a scientist or two and an investor. Let's go!

 

 

[Fizzzzle]

Just use paper bags, it's not rocket surgery. they are biodegradable, but stores do tend to charge you for them (though to be honest if you go through self checkout and just take bags, literally no one cares)

 

Then the paper bags become recycle bins at home.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Just use the Aldi model it’s fine

[SuperSpreader]

15 minutes ago, Fizzzzle said:

Just use paper bags, it's not rocket surgery. they are biodegradable, but stores do tend to charge you for them (though to be honest if you go through self checkout and just take bags, literally no one cares)

 

Then the paper bags become recycle bins at home.

 

I hate paper bags.

[johnny]

bringing reusable bags is super easy. you just keep them in your car and grab them when you  go shopping. honestly don’t even think about it. it doesn’t inconvenience me at all. in fact it’s probably made bringing groceries inside easier as the reusable bags are bigger and stronger. 

[Jason]

1 minute ago, johnny said:

you just keep them in your car

 

Okay what do I do if I primarily walk and spontaneously realize I need something at the supermarket. 

[johnny]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

Okay what do I do if I primarily walk and spontaneously realize I need something at the supermarket. 

you go buy what you need and then shove it up your ass 

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, johnny said:

you go buy what you need and then shove it up your ass 

 

[Link200]

On 5/30/2024 at 9:44 AM, dualhunter said:

 

Yeah, I have to plan ahead and stuff my pockets if I plan on going shopping.

You stuff your pockets with reusable bags? I feel like you are missing something here.

[sblfilms]

3 hours ago, Spork3245 said:

Just did a quick look, those paper bags cost about $0.05 each in 500 count bundles. I'm sure it's even cheaper for grocery chains who are buying them in the 10k+ range at a time, but, let's go with that 5 cents - chains now get to make 100% profit off every bag that they previously gave you for free. Capitalism folks.

If they were forced to provide biodegradables at no cost, the price would just get factored into all their other prices. The customer always pays in the end  

[Best]

16 minutes ago, johnny said:

bringing reusable bags is super easy. you just keep them in your car and grab them when you  go shopping. honestly don’t even think about it. it doesn’t inconvenience me at all. in fact it’s probably made bringing groceries inside easier as the reusable bags are bigger and stronger. 

 

This is how it's done with my situation. It's extremely easy and very efficient. 

[Spork3245]

1 minute ago, sblfilms said:

If they were forced to provide biodegradables at no cost, the price would just get factored into all their other prices. The customer always pays in the end  

Did the prices reduce when they stopped providing other bags for free?

[SuperSpreader]

2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said:

Did the prices reduce when they stopped providing other bags for free?

 

Communist!