Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I guess a memo was circulated 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 This could go in the hurricane thread but my main thought while watching this is that we're seeing a preview of what a Presidential address would look like: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 6 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I guess a memo was circulated Trump literally ducked an interview with 60 mins and is chickening out on another debate but yeah sure Harris isn’t everywhere just preying on rightly nervous Dems for clicks 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 28 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I guess a memo was circulated I hope the AI that wrote all those articles kills itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 The old tired “dems in disarray” stories. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 22 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Trump literally ducked an interview with 60 mins and is chickening out on another debate but yeah sure Harris isn’t everywhere just preying on rightly nervous Dems for clicks And after Harris literally was on like 4 interviews this week, and Trump wasn't. The MSM is just mad she isn't sitting down with the NYT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 ‘I don’t want to be nice’: Trump ramps up personal attacks on Harris at Pennsylvania rally WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Trump's campaign event in Scranton, the birthplace of President Joe Biden, was the first of two in the battleground state Wednesday less than... YOU DON'T SAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 23 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: And after Harris literally was on like 4 interviews this week, and Trump wasn't. The MSM is just mad she isn't sitting down with the NYT. Literally when she was barnstorming huge live rallies like 6 times a week they complain she wasn't doing interviews. Now she doing interviews and they complain she is not doing enough events. Literally picking a 5-7 day stretch where she is doing a certain type of schedule and then complaining that she is not doing different types of events during that time period. Really reminds me of when Sony/MS/Nintendo would be having crappy sales so instead of actual numbers we would get the "sales improved 50% year over year for the second half of January". Only instead of cherry picking to make things look good they are cherry picking whatever thing Harris isn't currently doing to make her look bad..... I remember listening to a lot of podcasts after 2016 where reporters honestly seemed to be trying to grapple with the flaws in their reporting on Trump. Where they seemed to be trying to consider how to cover someone who can make things genuinely difficult. It is crazy having seen that reckoning to now see how careless, lazy, and sensationalist so much of the press has reverted to. The NYT basically playing Russian Roulette with Democracy because Joe Biden hurt their feelings or whatever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 While Trump is having trouble with female voters, Harris seems to be having trouble with male voters, including Black and Hispanic males. She's making a last minute push, but I have a feeling Trump has locked in a lot of voters that were traditionally seen as reliably Democrat. Harris will have to tap into more moderates and never Trump GOP members while strengthening her lead with female voters to pull this off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 17 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: ‘I don’t want to be nice’: Trump ramps up personal attacks on Harris at Pennsylvania rally WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Trump's campaign event in Scranton, the birthplace of President Joe Biden, was the first of two in the battleground state Wednesday less than... YOU DON'T SAY god just say the N word finally and get it over with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 21 minutes ago, Massdriver said: While Trump is having trouble with female voters, Harris seems to be having trouble with male voters, including Black and Hispanic males. She's making a last minute push, but I have a feeling Trump has locked in a lot of voters that were traditionally seen as reliably Democrat. Harris will have to tap into more moderates and never Trump GOP members while strengthening her lead with female voters to pull this off. I genuinely believe that her struggles with non-white working class male voters is what will end up costing her the election. She'll probably win a higher precentage of white voters overall than any Democrat in ages, but it's at those margins among non-white working class males where an underlying cause for a defeat would most readily be identified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I genuinely believe that her struggles with non-white working class male voters is what will end up costing her the election. Same here. I hope she can prove me wrong, but it's not looking good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Charlie Kirk is freaking out over the lack of enthusiasm among conservative Christians about voting in the upcoming election: "I hope they enjoy the gulags." www.peoplefor.org/rightwingwat... [image or embed] — Right Wing Watch (@rightwingwatch.bsky.social) October 9, 2024 at 12:11 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Gotta love these disingenuous assholes. There’s only one candidate who would instate anything like a gulag, and it’s not the one that’s the cop weirdly enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 9 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Same here. I hope she can prove me wrong, but it's not looking good. I get the sense that the Trump campaign's intensified anti-migrant rhetoric is a direct result of internal polling data that indicates that it's having some "positive" effect within that demographic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheShader Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I guess a memo was circulated "The former president shits his pants on live television before calling Clarence Thomas the N-word. What does this mean for Kamala's campaign as this news leaves the Harris campaign absolutely devastated." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 7 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I get the sense that the Trump campaign's intensified anti-migrant rhetoric is a direct result of internal polling data that indicates that it's having some "positive" effect within that demographic. The idea that anything of the trump campaign is data based is laughable on its face Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 How do you even appeal to working class, non-educated men? They are literally voting for things that go against their interests. Is it just that you need a Big Man who is angry? Appealing to economics doesn't work, in terms of things that help unions and wages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I think Democrats are panicking because the election's important and if they're not 20 points ahead, they're concerned. Because Republicans are panicking as well: POLITICO: Republicans are starting to raise alarms about Trump’s ground game The Hill: Trump campaign’s ground game worries some Republicans Trump has scant ground game operation in swing states, GOP worries | US elections 2024 | The Guardian WWW.THEGUARDIAN.COM Republican officials see Trump’s campaign as comparable in size to a midterm election rather than a presidential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The idea that anything of the trump campaign is data based is laughable on its face Seriously. I'm sure they have analysts, but nothing that man does is based on evidence or data, haha. You can't control Trump, keep him on message or anything. You can sometimes hit him with reverse psychology, but the idea has to stay in his head long enough for the walk to the stage from the buffet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: and if they're not 20 points ahead, they're concerned. Because Republicans are panicking as well: If the polls said we were up 20 I’d be worried the polls are completely broken and I know I wouldn’t be alone in this. a little anxiety is to be expected! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Random question but threads I’ve replied to used to have a star next to them instead of a generic circle, but that seems to have gone away. Is that happened to anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Xbob42 said: Seriously. I'm sure they have analysts, but nothing that man does is based on evidence or data, haha. You can't control Trump, keep him on message or anything. You can sometimes hit him with reverse psychology, but the idea has to stay in his head long enough for the walk to the stage from the buffet. They also are there to appeal to an audience of one not necessarily to give an honest assessment of the race like we know the people he hires, we saw it in both of the previous campaigns and his stint as president. This isn’t a man who likes unflattering data or news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 7 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: The idea that anything of the trump campaign is data based is laughable on its face OK, fine, but let's not discount the possibility that the anti-migrant scaremongering has resonated with at least some segments of the population who ain't honkies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, osxmatt said: Random question but threads I’ve replied to used to have a star next to them instead of a generic circle, but that seems to have gone away. Is that happened to anyone else? Yes I’ve noticed that too. Stars indicate you’ve replied in thread at some point. But this thread specifically seems to have that functionality broken. It’ll go back to a Star but then turn to a circle soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 6 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: How do you even appeal to working class, non-educated men? They are literally voting for things that go against their interests. Is it just that you need a Big Man who is angry? Appealing to economics doesn't work, in terms of things that help unions and wages. You don’t. They don’t have the capacity to envision, which is what we desperately need. If I’m not being horrifically insulting, one also can’t deny their lived experience. They work in hard jobs and life hasn’t gotten easier. Therefore the first person that group is going to gravitate toward is a person who validates their insecurities while also promising nothing but sunshine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LazyPiranha Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Just now, GeneticBlueprint said: Yes I’ve noticed that too. Stars indicate you’ve replied in thread at some point. But this thread specifically seems to have that functionality broken. It’ll go back to a Star but then turn to a circle soon. It only happens on this specific thread for me, everything else is fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: OK, fine, but let's not discount the possibility that the anti-migrant scaremongering has resonated with at least some segments of the population who ain't honkies! Oh, I have no doubt about that. There's a lot of Leopards Eating People's Faces Party folks out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3xB0t Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: OK, fine, but let's not discount the possibility that the anti-migrant scaremongering has resonated with at least some segments of the population who ain't honkies! It resonates with anyone who is afraid that their hard-earned honest living might be taken away by those who have nothing and want (according to the GOP) everything. It’s also simple othering, which anyone who has fears (read: anyone) is liable to respond to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, S3xB0t said: It resonates with anyone who is afraid that their hard-earned honest living might be taken away by those who have nothing and want (according to the GOP) everything. It’s also simple othering, which anyone who has fears (read: anyone) is liable to respond to. Correct! And while those sentiments have largely been the provenance of the white working class for decades, this most recent bout of inflation hit non-white working class families pretty damned hard which makes them especially vulnerable to the rhetoric. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 10 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: OK, fine, but let's not discount the possibility that the anti-migrant scaremongering has resonated with at least some segments of the population who ain't honkies! It’s entirely possible that the pre 2020 trends continue and race is less salient than gender and educational attainment I’ll not be denying that. It’s also why I think we need to push back hard on the idea that mass deportation is the key to success for this country. But the trump tail is wagging the campaign dog here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbob42 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Just now, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Correct! And while those sentiments have largely been the provenance of the white working class for decades, this most recent bout of inflation hit non-white working class families pretty damned hard which makes them especially vulnerable to the rhetoric. Wait until they discover consumer prices after extraordinary tariffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 12 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: Yes I’ve noticed that too. Stars indicate you’ve replied in thread at some point. But this thread specifically seems to have that functionality broken. It’ll go back to a Star but then turn to a circle soon. The immigrants are taking our stars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I think you guys are attributing too much electoral influence on uneducated white males. Harris isn't going to lose the election because of them. She's going to win because of everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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