Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 More post-debate polling fodder: Quote In historical terms, the shift from the first post-debate is one of the smaller in modern political history. Quote We now have 12 polls partially post-debate, and 10 conducted entirely post-debate. Biden trails Trump by 3.1% in polls wholly conducted post debate, for a margin shift of 1.8%. You can quibble some here - but the # of polls gives a good picture of the state of the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: You can quibble some here - but the # of polls gives a good picture of the state of the race. Nazis about to take over is the state of the race & nation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 There's a good argument to be made about A lot of the polling were seeing being from non response bias as dems don't really want to answer cause that debate was just that bad. So as time goes by we may see polling revert, but Biden needs to not have anything even resembling a moment like he had in the debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Two things, and apologies if any of them have been discussed. The first is, if you were to replace Biden, all the money donated to him can’t just be used for someone else except I think Harris. Second, his debate performance remains a top story and I think it’s solely because Democrats keep talking about it. Republicans have not or else maybe the top stories would be turned into Trump saying everybody wanted Roe v. Wade gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 19 minutes ago, SaysWho? said: his debate performance remains a top story and I think it’s solely because Democrats keep talking about it. Yup. Snake eating itself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 yuppppppp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 My newsfeeds and YouTube are litteraly only about the debate. It just won't go away. It’s driving me mad I swear to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Apparently if the interview and events this weekend dont help him he might pull the plug. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 On the plus side my retirement account loves this and if Trump wins I'll probably be able to retire at like 50-52. I won't be able to associate with anyone who is gay or trans and feminism will be a dirty word sorry everybody but Gaza & Old Man and he just wasn't liberal enough. 🤷♂️ Sucks to suck keep your chin up. Bootstraps y'know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricofoley Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I swear, if they replace Biden and Fed Soc guys invent a way to get a case through the courts that he can't be replaced on the ballot I'm going to become the Joker. Bluesky lawyers say that the ballot access rules for parties are airtight and that it should be fine, but I don't trust anyone's predictions anymore after the immunity ruling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said: Apparently if the interview and events this weekend dont help him he might pull the plug. Please just post the article because the headline and the actual substance of the article don't remotely align at all: Biden Told Ally That He Is Weighing Whether to Continue in the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s conversation is the first indication that he is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on Thursday. Quote President Biden has told a key ally that he knows he may not be able to salvage his candidacy if he cannot convince the public in the coming days that he is up for the job after a disastrous debate performance last week. The president, who the ally emphasized is still deeply in the fight for re-election, understands that his next few appearances heading into the holiday weekend — including an interview scheduled for Friday with George Stephanopoulos of ABC News and campaign stops in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — must go well. "He knows if he has two more events like that, we're in a different place" by the end of the weekend, said the ally, referring to Mr. Biden's halting and unfocused performance in the debate. The person spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation." Quote The conversation is the first indication to become public that the president is seriously considering whether he can recover after a devastating performance on the debate stage in Atlanta on Thursday. Concerns are mounting about his viability as a candidate and whether he could serve as president for another four years. A top adviser to Mr. Biden, who also spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the situation, said the president was “well aware of the political challenge he faces.” Quote But he has told at least one person that he is open to the possibility that his plans to move on from his debate performance — and flip the focus back to Mr. Trump — may not work. Several allies of Mr. Biden have underscored that the president is still in the fight of his political life and largely sees this moment as a chance to come back from being counted out, as he has done many times throughout his half-century career. At the same time, they said, he is cleareyed about his uphill battle to convince voters, donors and the political class that his debate performance was an anomaly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Surely NYT can be trusted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 If anything, that NYT article illustrates that Biden is fully aware of the situation and won't stubbornly soldier on if he deems it to be untenable. To his credit, that does show competency. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 22 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Apparently if the interview and events this weekend dont help him he might pull the plug. Euthanasia is the preferred nomenclature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, SaysWho? said: Two things, and apologies if any of them have been discussed. The first is, if you were to replace Biden, all the money donated to him can’t just be used for someone else except I think Harris. Second, his debate performance remains a top story and I think it’s solely because Democrats keep talking about it. Republicans have not or else maybe the top stories would be turned into Trump saying everybody wanted Roe v. Wade gone. Ezra's DNC expert said moving the money wouldn't be an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Imagine how much better off we would be right now if a year ago he announced he was only going to serve one term. They could have had a regular primary and not be backed into a corner with Harris. The Democrats would have a fresh face, without all the baggage. This should be the most winnable election ever. A strong democrat would absolutely demolish Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, ort said: Imagine how much better off we would be right now if a year ago he announced he was only going to serve one term. They could have had a regular primary and not be backed into a corner with Harris. The Democrats would have a fresh face, without all the baggage. This should be the most winnable election ever. A strong democrat would absolutely demolish Trump. It would've have to had been right after the November 2022 midterms rather than "only" a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siebzehn Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 hour ago, SuperSpreader said: On the plus side my retirement account loves this and if Trump wins I'll probably be able to retire at like 50-52. I won't be able to associate with anyone who is gay or trans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 A CNN article covering much the same ground has better framing of its reporting: Biden has privately acknowledged next stretch of days are critical for whether he can save his reelection bid | CNN Politics WWW.CNN.COM President Joe Biden has privately acknowledged that the next stretch of days are critical to whether he can save his re-election bid for president, making clear to an ally Tuesday that he understands what would prompt him to accept: “It’s just not working.” Quote President Joe Biden has privately acknowledged that the next stretch of days are critical to whether he can save his reelection bid for president, making clear to an ally Tuesday that he understands what would prompt him to accept: “It’s just not working.” “He sees the moment. He’s clear-eyed,” this person told CNN. There is no ambiguity for the president about what series of events in the coming weeks would ultimately prompt him to acknowledge that his attempt to make amends for last week’s disastrous debate on CNN aren’t working. It would be a scenario in which “the polls are plummeting, the fundraising is drying up, and the interviews are going badly,” that person said. “He’s not oblivious.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 50 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: If anything, that NYT article illustrates that Biden is fully aware of the situation and won't stubbornly soldier on if he deems it to be untenable. To his credit, that does show competency. I just don’t see a way forward for the Democrats without him. Electoral math gives Republicans a natural advantage, Harris is the only one who it seems they could legally replace him with and that’s no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I'm honestly surprised at how much chatter there is about him leaving. It's actually refreshing. I strongly believe he should drop out and the fact that so many seem to agree or at least are comfortable enough with the idea that they aren't just smacking it down tells me that at least the Democrats aren't as brainwashed and ridiculous as the Republicans. The right wing media machine just carries trumps bag no matter what he does or says. They don't care. If Trump had a similar thing go down does anyone think Fox News would be having real discussions about him stepping down? They would not. They would dig in further. Their brains are broken. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Surely it wouldn’t be Kamala right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Congratulations to the chuds on winning re-election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, finaljedi said: I just don’t see a way forward for the Democrats without him. Electoral math gives Republicans a natural advantage, Harris is the only one who it seems they could legally replace him with and that’s no good. There genuinely are zero "good" options here, but whatever is to be done, it needs to be done relatively soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 minute ago, Comet said: Surely it wouldn’t be Kamala right? I simply don't see how it can be anyone but her plus someone like Roy Cooper as VP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siebzehn Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, Comet said: Surely it wouldn’t be Kamala right? It would definitely be Kamala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 If they want to switch it to Kamala+popular VP fine but do it fucking Friday at the latest either that or I want dems to just shut the fuck up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I suppose given the frailty of the situation, now isn’t a time to experiment with someone crazy like Polis. If a black man broke the right, I’d have to imagine a gay Jew would do even more damage to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siebzehn Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 9 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: I simply don't see how it can be anyone but her plus someone like Roy Cooper as VP. Orrrrrr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, Siebzehn said: Orrrrrr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Vic20 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 7 minutes ago, Siebzehn said: Orrrrrr Why, at place that already clearly serves massive cinnamon buns does there need to be a bowl of mini candy bars to boot?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Can you imagine how a Buttigieg / Trump debate would go down in contrast to the shit show we just watched? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uaarkson Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I’ve been thinking about Booty Judge all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Buttigieg's time to shine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 So, despite historical precedent, you guys are willing to very possibly throw the election to Trump because Biden looked bad at a debate and is old? The election is less than 4 months away. If the last two times Democrats tried to do an open convention and lost, likely it will happen this third time. You really want to roll the dice on that rather than hope we get past this, Biden steps up, rides his incumbency wave, campaign on what he accomplished, etc.? I don't like Biden either as a candidate because of his age, I voted against him in the 2020 Democratic primary, but the Democrats made their bed back then. Biden didn't change his mind, so here we are. I don't think it's worth risking losing whatever advantage Biden gives us (he did beat Trump in 2020) just so we can all feel better for 4 months and then lose more decisively. That doesn't mean Biden shouldn't be pressured to do a lot more campaigning, etc. But Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot by continuing to perpetuate this narrative long term in the media. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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