DPCyric Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, marioandsonic said: My grandmother died on New Year's Day. That should have clued my in that 2024 was going to be the worst fucking year of my life. Lost mine a couple of days before Easter and it's all been downhill from there prepare for the worst 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStar189 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Of course, it's just our "luck" that Biden is doing a rally in North Carolina right now and apparently he's sounding just fine. The debate last night was probably past his bedtime. A guy his age probably isn’t at the top of his game at 9pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, DarkStar189 said: The debate last night was probably past his bedtime. A guy his age probably isn’t at the top of his game at 9pm. Can confirm: I’m usually in bed by 6:30 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Greatoneshere Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 I see a lot of dooming in here when it's not even July yet. It was one debate, there's still a lot of election left to go. I don't really care about how the debate went, I care far, far more about this problem. In narrow popular vote losses, because the Electoral College is built in Republicans' favor, they have a 65% chance of winning the election as a result. That means the Democrats are handicapped and have to work twice as hard to overcome the inherent statistical deficit they have in the Electoral College in terms of literal votes. Overcoming those odds is all that matters, the popular vote is pointless if each state overall doesn't go blue (obviously that's determined by the popular vote but we know which states aren't going blue, so we need to focus on purple states/swing states). This is the real issue, this unfair advantage using this stupid system. Trump can lose the popular vote, like he has twice already, but he will still have a statistical advantage with the Electoral College, which really picks the president. The Electoral College gives the GOP a huge advantage, in one chart - Vox WWW.VOX.COM In close elections, Republicans are favored to win even when they lose the popular vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Greatoneshere said: I see a lot of dooming in here 6 3 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 If we managed to win this election the national Democratic apparatus needs to force state and local Dems to drop the NIMBY bullshit. Housing costs are the main inflation driver now and that's mostly from making it illegal to build enough housing where people want to live. It would also offset the issues with the electoral college if California and New York got millions of new residents and thus more EVs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Spork3245 said: You know it's not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 4 minutes ago, Jason said: If we managed to win this election the national Democratic apparatus needs to force state and local Dems to drop the NIMBY bullshit. Housing costs are the main inflation driver now and that's mostly from making it illegal to build enough housing where people want to live. It would also offset the issues with the electoral college if California and New York got millions of new residents and thus more EVs. It'll be an open Democratic primary in the next election, let's get someone fucking young and smart who cares (a high bar, I know). We just have to get past this fucking guy one more time and we're done with this guy, Trump will be too old in 2028 and even if he isn't, presumably we'll get someone young to wipe the floor with him and not someone like Biden. It's just this time so we can get to that open primary in 2028 because the Republicans have no one after Trump, we should win every election henceforth if even decent candidates show up. Some of Trump's cult may start following other, weaker grifters in time but they'll be splintered. This will be the last time for awhile at least, c'mon America, one more time. One. More. Time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinIon Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 We'll see how this ends up playing out. In the end it matters most in if it sways any undecided voters and in if it effects turnout for one group more than another. From what I've seen, the undecideds seem to be primarily among those who don't pay attention to nearly any news at all. If you're a person who doesn't consume any news and you watched this debate, I don't know what your takeaways are. I think it played pretty hard into the pre-existing narratives for both candidates (old vs horrible), but it's honestly hard to role play as someone with so few existing priors that you haven't already made a decision here. It probably isn't the end of the world, but think it's pretty clearly not been good for Biden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Biden acknowledges age, bad debate performance but vows to beat Trump APPLE.NEWS President Joe Biden said on Friday he intended to defeat Republican rival Donald Trump in the November presidential election, giving no sign he would consider dropping out of the race after a feeble... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 The problem. The solution. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 11 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: The problem. The solution. The actual solution: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Jason said: If we managed to win this election the national Democratic apparatus needs to force state and local Dems to drop the NIMBY bullshit. Housing costs are the main inflation driver now and that's mostly from making it illegal to build enough housing where people want to live. It would also offset the issues with the electoral college if California and New York got millions of new residents and thus more EVs. Upzone. This is a root cause of a lot of issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 10 minutes ago, Massdriver said: Upzone. This is a root cause of a lot of issues. Yes although in places like Los Angeles we're gonna need skyscrapers, not just missing middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, Jason said: Yes although in places like Los Angeles we're gonna need skyscrapers, not just missing middle. I feel like that middle is all Los Angeles is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 12 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: I feel like that middle is all Los Angeles is Upzone the middle to high rises. Point is to increase density and the housing supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 The Editorial Board of the New York Times has called for Biden to end his candidacy. Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Editorial Board of the New York Times has called for Biden to end his candidacy. Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago. I mean, fuck the NY Times 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 mmmmhmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, marioandsonic said: The actual solution: No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 13 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Editorial Board of the New York Times has called for Biden to end his candidacy. Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago. With Project 2025 all laid out in its horrid glory, stuff like this really isn't helping anything at all. This isn't their first campaign, it's too late to send up another contender and Trump 2 won't start off by having Jared Googling what jobs they need to fill. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, Greatoneshere said: I see a lot of dooming in here when it's not even July yet. It was one debate, there's still a lot of election left to go. I don't really care about how the debate went, I care far, far more about this problem. In narrow popular vote losses, because the Electoral College is built in Republicans' favor, they have a 65% chance of winning the election as a result. That means the Democrats are handicapped and have to work twice as hard to overcome the inherent statistical deficit they have in the Electoral College in terms of literal votes. Overcoming those odds is all that matters, the popular vote is pointless if each state overall doesn't go blue (obviously that's determined by the popular vote but we know which states aren't going blue, so we need to focus on purple states/swing states). This is the real issue, this unfair advantage using this stupid system. Trump can lose the popular vote, like he has twice already, but he will still have a statistical advantage with the Electoral College, which really picks the president. The Electoral College gives the GOP a huge advantage, in one chart - Vox WWW.VOX.COM In close elections, Republicans are favored to win even when they lose the popular vote. I'm just feeling pretty doomed in general but Biden's speech in NC was really good at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 47 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Editorial Board of the New York Times has called for Biden to end his candidacy. Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago. It's so transparent that they didn't do something like this after Trump got 34 felony convictions. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, Jason said: It's so transparent that they didn't do something like this after Trump got 34 felony convictions. Trust me, that hasn't gone unnoticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: The Editorial Board of the New York Times has called for Biden to end his candidacy. Opinion | To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The president’s inadequate performance in the debate made it clear he is not the man he was four years ago. I’m eagerly awaiting “To Serve His Country, Former President Trump Should Leave The Race” I imagine that will be getting printed any day now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 7 minutes ago, osxmatt said: I’m eagerly awaiting “To Serve His Country, Former President Trump Should Leave The Race” I imagine that will be getting printed any day now. Let's just say that I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 NYT wants those sweet sweet tax breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Reputator said: NYT wants those sweet sweet tax breaks. Those tax breaks will serve them well after Lord Inquisitoner Stephen Miller executes them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwheel86 Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, finaljedi said: With Project 2025 all laid out in its horrid glory, stuff like this really isn't helping anything at all. This isn't their first campaign, it's too late to send up another contender and Trump 2 won't start off by having Jared Googling what jobs they need to fill. Why isn't there enough time? The Brits are holding an unplanned General Election with 6 weeks notice. The day after their election the new PM will be in. This notion we need a 2 year primary/election process and a 2 and a half month transition is crazy. Whoever comes out of an open convention will inherit the entire Biden Team that's already going strong. The entire campaign until November would be voters getting to know some wholesome Midwest Governor and remembering why Trump is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comet Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 9 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Why isn't there enough time? The Brits are holding an unplanned General Election with 6 weeks notice. The day after their election the new PM will be in. This notion we need a 2 year primary/election process and a 2 and a half month transition is crazy. Whoever comes out of an open convention will inherit the entire Biden Team that's already going strong. The entire campaign until November would be voters getting to know some wholesome Midwest Governor and remembering why Trump is crazy. Follow the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 16 minutes ago, Jwheel86 said: Why isn't there enough time? The Brits are holding an unplanned General Election with 6 weeks notice. The day after their election the new PM will be in. This notion we need a 2 year primary/election process and a 2 and a half month transition is crazy. Whoever comes out of an open convention will inherit the entire Biden Team that's already going strong. The entire campaign until November would be voters getting to know some wholesome Midwest Governor and remembering why Trump is crazy. Two obvious ones: state ballot access laws. Unless the nominee is Harris all the money has to go back to the donors and can't be transferred to the new candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadatog Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 9 minutes ago, Jason said: Two obvious ones: state ballot access laws. Unless the nominee is Harris all the money has to go back to the donors and can't be transferred to the new candidate. It's not a campaign donation, just a steakhouse gift card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 I'm going to try and take a break from this board and social media, as least for posting. I feel like the last two weeks have broken me. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: I'm going to try and take a break from this board and social media, as least for posting. I feel like the last two weeks have broken me. Nothing wrong with a break! That last post of yours got me worried. Better yourself, find something you love to do, and remember that there are things you can control right around you. You have four months until the election. Think about yourself for now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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