PaladinSolo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 General Election Poll Harris 48% (+4) Trump 44% Last poll - Harris +1 Trump -2 Morning Consult #C - 11,265 RV - 8/4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 4 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: General Election Poll Harris 48% (+4) Trump 44% Last poll - Harris +1 Morning Consult #C - 11,265 RV - 8/4 Huge sample size, though not the best pollster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, ort said: There seems to be some sort of coordinated shadow campaign to have her not pick Shapiro. A lot of Republicans fear she will pick him because he is immensely popular in his home state. I personally think if she picks Shapiro she wins the election without a doubt. Glad to see Walz in the final running though it says a lot about Harris that the final two are fairly progressive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 People don't like his Isreal stance, they say he has some other baggage too... I don't even remember. I'm not wasting much mental energy on this. It's just weird that I'm seeing all these posts on social and all these articles about how picking him would be a mistake. These things don't always happen in a vacuum. I don't know much about any of these people, but when I found out Shapiro and Fetterman have beef, it made me like Shapiro more, because Fetterman seems like a ding dong and I really didn't like his rhetoric on Isreal/Palastine. It's was so gross and overly simplistic and hostile. Policy wise though, I bet they are identical. I don't know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 When someone polled the midwest with all the VP options Shapiro was the strongest across all the states, they all did well in their home states, his Israel stance isn't really an issue, its just the lefties losing their shit again over stuff no one cares about. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 4 minutes ago, ort said: People don't like his Isreal stance, they say he has some other baggage too... I don't even remember. I'm not wasting much mental energy on this. His primary baggage is this, not his positions vis-a-vis Israel and Palestine: Josh Shapiro Faces Scrutiny Over Sexual Harassment Complaint Against Aide - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The case has attracted renewed criticism now that Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, is on the short list to be Kamala Harris’s running mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 His biggest liability is that he has the slick haircut and general style of a used car salesman. But he is a very good speaker and likely gives a bump in PA. Will he be a drag on some young progressives? Yes, but I think that can be dealt with with some immediate and strong statements. Like Wade said, the harder thing is the SA that occured in his office, and was "covered up" (settled). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I like Shapiro, but I feel they need a veep that doesn't have to go on the defense when announced, like the stuff around that sexual harassment thing with his aide. Harris has a pretty good communications team, but that's a tricky needle to thread and is a little more than dunking on a weirdo who probably thinks women's suffrage was a mistake. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 15 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: When someone polled the midwest with all the VP options Shapiro was the strongest across all the states, they all did well in their home states, his Israel stance is really an issue, its just the lefties losing their shit again over stuff no one cares about. He said he believes Bibi is "one of the worst leaders of all time", supports and independent Palestine, and pushed hard to fight the Muslim ban under Trump. Don't see what the problem is there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I don't even know what his stance on Israel is. I only have so much mental bandwidth and I decided that learning about what each potential VP picks strengths/weaknesses were is a completely pointless thing for me to waste time learning about. It's just not something I need an informed opinion on. She'll pick who she picks and then we can figure it out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 19 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: His primary baggage is this, not his positions vis-a-vis Israel and Palestine: Josh Shapiro Faces Scrutiny Over Sexual Harassment Complaint Against Aide - The New York Times WWW.NYTIMES.COM The case has attracted renewed criticism now that Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, is on the short list to be Kamala Harris’s running mate. I personally would love to see Trump bring this up at a rally considering all he has done in the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 5 minutes ago, DPCyric said: I personally would love to see Trump bring this up at a rally considering all he has done in the past Cognitive [sic] dissonance is a hell of a drug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 Some journalists on Twitter saying Harris has made her decision and the person has accepted. If true, I'd expect to see SS deployed tonight and give it away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Some journalists on Twitter saying Harris has made her decision and the person has accepted. If true, I'd expect to see SS deployed tonight and give it away. *USSS is the preferred nomenclature Also, the Senior White House Correspondent for ABC News claims that the decision has not yet been made, but that was a little over an hour ago. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I agree with a comment I saw that picking Walz is playing to win and picking Shapiro is playing to not lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 14 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Some journalists on Twitter saying Harris has made her decision and the person has accepted. If true, I'd expect to see SS deployed tonight and give it away. The guy who posted that is from the local Detroit FOX TV network affiliate, so make of that what you will 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ort Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 24 minutes ago, DPCyric said: I personally would love to see Trump bring this up at a rally considering all he has done in the past That's their entire playbook. Accuse the other side of the things you are doing so everyone just shrugs and says, "well, they all do it so whatever" It's kinda like when a guy with a puppy killing slaughterhouse that kills hundreds of puppies a day criticizes someone who once kicked a dog. Modern politics has turned into both sides just pointing to the actions of the other side and saying, ooh, see, gotcha! You said this, but then this, see! Gotcha! Zing! The problem is neither side really cares or hears it. The other problem is they have us arguing over the most mundane bullshit while nothing substantial ever gets done. Politics is sports now. It's covered like 2 sports teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 51 minutes ago, ort said: These things don't always happen in a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakoo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 33 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Some journalists on Twitter saying Harris has made her decision and the person has accepted. If true, I'd expect to see SS deployed tonight and give it away. She should bring all 3 to a press conference and then announce the winner The Bachelor style. (not serious) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 40 minutes ago, Jason said: I agree with a comment I saw that picking Walz is playing to win and picking Shapiro is playing to not lose. Prevent defense only prevents wins 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 23 minutes ago, chakoo said: She should bring all 3 to a press conference and then announce the winner The Bachelor style. (not serious) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 1 hour ago, DPCyric said: He said he believes Bibi is "one of the worst leaders of all time", supports and independent Palestine, and pushed hard to fight the Muslim ban under Trump. Don't see what the problem is there He made some vague rule about codes of conduct for state workers amidst the protests and somehow that means he's going to fire anyone who dislikes Israel because he's Jewish or something, despite not a single state worker being fired to my knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Per CNN's Senior White House Correspondent: Quote Kamala Harris has trained her focus on Josh Shapiro & Tim Walz in the final hours of her process to select a running mate, multiple sources tell Jamie Gangel and me But all three finalists - Shapiro, Walz & Mark Kelly - remain in the running as of Monday afternoon, we're told 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 59 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Prevent defense only prevents wins Yeah that was the point, that you've already lost if you're just playing to not lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Apparently Shapiro wasn't actually in the IDF but volunteered for them while in college? Anything even adjacent to serving in a foreign military seems no bueno for a VP pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Guys they're unskewing the polls, lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Guys they're unskewing the polls, lol. You think this is convoluted, you should see the formula they use to prove Trump's bathroom scale actually says he weighs a svelt 208 pounds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DPCyric Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 2 hours ago, Jason said: I agree with a comment I saw that picking Walz is playing to win and picking Shapiro is playing to not lose. I could see Shapiro being President in 8 years but not Walz. I think Shapiro is playing to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 27 minutes ago, Jason said: If there were a campaign equivalent of criminal neglect one rally for the whole week in a Red +20 state that represents 3 Electoral Votes seems like it would qualify I would say Trump should have his campaign staff shoved out an airlock but we all know nothing dumb happens in that camp that Trump isn't at least 95% responsible for.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, Chairslinger said: If there were a campaign equivalent of criminal neglect one rally for the whole week in a Red +20 state that represents 3 Electoral Votes seems like it would qualify I would say Trump should have his campaign staff shoved out an airlock but we all know nothing dumb happens in that camp that Trump isn't at least 95% responsible for.... Hey, Montana is now worth 4 electoral votes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 And it has a senate controlling election up this year with an incumbent dem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 47 minutes ago, Jason said: I’m less interested in Trump’s schedule in 2016 and more Hillary’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaladinSolo Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: Harris is up 6 points since this poll was done July 15th, Trump is even with that result. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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