Rock the Vote '24: update (09/10) - It's "Debate Night" - do yourself a favor and play a video game instead

[Massdriver]

18 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

There is zero chance she could do a short form interview alone, let alone a long form interview like on Lex's show. She's reversed positions she had 4 years ago without any explanation. A real interview would press her on it. Her website STILL doesn't have any policies listed on it. 

I was actually happy to see Trump flopping around on abortion and marijuana. When these candidates change their positions on issues this close to the general, it means they are moving to the center. In American politics, that’s what I consider normal! 

[Vitalsign]

3 minutes ago, Massdriver said:

I was actually happy to see Trump flopping around on abortion and marijuana. When these candidates change their positions on issues this close to the general, it means they are moving to the center. In American politics, that’s what I consider normal! 

 

Agree. I would really like for the GOP to drop the abortion issue. Florida is about to vote to make abortion available up to 24 weeks into the Constitution. It's red meat for the die hards, but a waste of energy and time. I really don't know why Trump/GOP has let the marijuana issue linger for so long, probably big pharma donors. Biden blew the chance to adjust it's schedule designation or decriminalize.  

[SaysWho?]

FYI, the ticket doing a joint interview after the convention is pretty standard stuff.

[Vitalsign]

6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

FYI, the ticket doing a joint interview after the convention is pretty standard stuff.

Sure, but not in the absence of solo interviews. That's the issue is that the joint interview is the ONLY one. 

[Reputator]

3 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

Sure, but not in the absence of solo interviews. That's the issue is that the joint interview is the ONLY one. 

 

Right, but that's enough to convince you it's literally impossible for it happen.

 

[SaysWho?]

9 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

Sure, but not in the absence of solo interviews. That's the issue is that the joint interview is the ONLY one. 

But you said she can’t do it without him. I’m telling you that their joint interview is commonplace. Trump did it in 2016.

 

After his child care brain mush answer, I’m more concerned about his bad policies and mental incapacity than Harris. 

[LazyPiranha]

I maintain the answer to “why isn’t she doing more interviews” is my guy, have you SEEN Trump doing interviews?  I feel like if Trump kept his dumb ass away from cameras and did fewer interviews he’d be much further ahead.  Give him less ready and easy answers to issues on the debate because he’ll have an easy quip answer to her positions as opposed to having to think on his feet.  
 

Whether or not this all WORKS remains to be seen, but I see the idea behind it.

[Vitalsign]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

But you said she can’t do it without him. I’m telling you that their joint interview is commonplace. Trump did it in 2016.

 

After his child care brain mush answer, I’m more concerned about his bad policies and mental incapacity than Harris. 

 

I think it's safe to assume her handlers don't want her trying an interview alone. She's prone to word salads and "unburdened by what has been" proclamations. 

 

It's fair to think she can't do a solo interview without hurting her chances greatly. 

[Vitalsign]

1 minute ago, LazyPiranha said:

I maintain the answer to “why isn’t she doing more interviews” is my guy, have you SEEN Trump doing interviews?  I feel like if Trump kept his dumb ass away from cameras and did fewer interviews he’d be much further ahead.  Give him less ready and easy answers to issues on the debate because he’ll have an easy quip answer to her positions as opposed to having to think on his feet.  
 

Whether or not this all WORKS remains to be seen, but I see the idea behind it.

 

He did great on Lex's and Theo Von's show. Both hour+ long form conversational interviews. Zero chance Harris does one of those. She's invited to both shows. 

[SaysWho?]

4 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

I think it's safe to assume her handlers don't want her trying an interview alone. She's prone to word salads and "unburdened by what has been" proclamations. 

 

It's fair to think she can't do a solo interview without hurting her chances greatly. 

Unless you haven’t seen a solo interview from her, which she always does fine on. Trump keeps malfunctioning when he’s doing interviews, talking about turning black and tariffs for childcare. That’s what’s very concerning. I’ve seen plenty of old people go down his route.
 

Actually, his policy that all lives matter, unless you’re a woman is more concerning than Kamala Harris did a joint interview with her vice president, as is common. That is a very fair assessment of the race.

[SaysWho?]

We all know nobody actually cares about the interviews. Because they have nothing to run on, they have to try to make something an issue that actually isn’t an issue.
 

The fact is, Trump does terribly in those situations. His policies are bad, he’s incoherent, he rambles, people would have told Biden to get out of the race if he started talking about tariffs when asked about childcare.

 

It doesn’t help that he surprisingly is getting bad at doing rallies because he doesn’t even make sense, talking about fictional characters and sharks and wind.

[Vitalsign]

4 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

Unless you haven’t seen a solo interview from her, which she always does fine on. Trump keeps malfunctioning when he’s doing interviews, talking about turning black and tariffs for childcare. That’s what’s very concerning. I’ve seen plenty of old people go down his route.
 

Actually, his policy that all lives matter, unless you’re a woman is more concerning than Kamala Harris did a joint interview with her vice president, as is common. That is a very fair assessment of the race.

 

Trump is moving the GOP away from anti-abortion. He's visibly annoyed by the topic and has sworn off a national abortion ban and doesn't support DeSantis' 6 week ban. Trump wishes to unburden the GOP with what has been. 

 

I want a 2 hour Theo Von interview with Harris. Trump did one, Bernie just did one too. He was great. I don't agree with him on much but he can have a conversation and comes across like a normal person. 

[Reputator]

11 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

I think it's safe to assume her handlers don't want her trying an interview alone. She's prone to word salads and "unburdened by what has been" proclamations. 

 

It's fair to think she can't do a solo interview without hurting her chances greatly. 

 

I don't understand how people have a hard time understanding that phrase. Did she discover a new cognitive litmus test? People can't understand progress being held back by conventions?

[Vitalsign]

3 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

We all know nobody actually cares about the interviews. Because they have nothing to run on, they have to try to make something an issue that actually isn’t an issue.
 

The fact is, Trump does terribly in those situations. His policies are bad, he’s incoherent, he rambles, people would have told Biden to get out of the race if he started talking about tariffs when asked about childcare.

 

It doesn’t help that he surprisingly is getting bad at doing rallies because he doesn’t even make sense, talking about fictional characters and sharks and wind.

 

Harris' website literally has zero policies listed on it. What is she running on? 

Trump talking about submerged electric cars and sharks was one of the greatest stump speeches in history and you know it.

[SaysWho?]

Just now, Vitalsign said:

 

Trump is moving the GOP away from anti-abortion. He's visibly annoyed by the topic and has sworn off a national abortion ban and doesn't support DeSantis' 6 week ban. Trump wishes to unburden the GOP with what has been. 

 

I want a 2 hour Theo Von interview with Harris. Trump did one, Bernie just did one too. He was great. I don't agree with him on much but he can have a conversation and comes across like a normal person. 

He’s not doing anything of the sort. He is proud that he is the sole reason Roe v Wade is no longer the law of the land. He’s the reason that some women may never have kids again because they weren’t able to get help they needed and too much damage was done to the reproductive origins. He’s also voting against legalizing abortion.
 

He’s an extremist. A presidential campaign doesn’t reverse any of his extremist anti-choice actions he’s made during a political career.

 

The reason he’s annoyed is because it helped him win in 2016, and now it might be the reason he loses in 2024. 

[Xbob42]

Yeah she gives kinda wishy-washy answers but otherwise is fine, which is definitely some milquetoast politician speak, sure, but it comes off as a sane, normal person giving an interview. And at this point, that fucking matters. It will be important to get her in front of more people, but when people say they don't know enough about her, I'm gonna go out on a limb and wager all these American citizens who want to know her better aren't actually talking policy, and just want to hear more about her as a person. Because that also really matters to a lot of American citizens. You know, a candidate you'd want to have a beer with?

 

Never assume Americans give a shit about policies. They like catch phrases and charisma.

 

Americans tend to greatly prefer democrat policies, but democrats who run on policy (without it being simplified into baby talk for dipshits) fail because people find it unlikeable and unrelatable to talk like a political robot about complicated matters. 

[SaysWho?]

Just now, Vitalsign said:

 

Harris' website literally has zero policies listed on it. What is she running on? 

Trump talking about submerged electric cars and sharks was one of the greatest stump speeches in history and you know it.

She just did an economic forum if you’re interested. It was much more coherent than tariffs were going to make childcare a thing.

[TheBladeRoden]

Have we tried the flip-flopping is actually good approach? "I used to be down on frakking, but I am not deaf to the persuasive arguments of the people. A politician must lead, but they also must listen."

 

Or the brutal honesty approach? "The voters of Pennsylvania have decided that earthquakes and flammable water are an acceptable price to pay for energy independence and jobs, and therefore so have I."

[Vitalsign]

Just now, Reputator said:

 

I don't understand how people have a hard time understanding that phrase. Did she discover a new cognitive litmus test? People can't understand progress being held back by conventions?

 

Saying it once was fine. It wasn't the phrase once, it was saying dozens of times trying to land the delivery like it was some grand deep proclamation that was gonna wow the crowd. 

 

[Uaarkson]

2 minutes ago, TheBladeRoden said:

Have we tried the flip-flopping

Or the brutal honesty approach? "The voters of Pennsylvania have decided that earthquakes and flammable water are an acceptable price to pay for energy independence and jobs, and therefore so have I."

Damn, I would love to see a politician actually say some shit like this. Like what Trump thinks he’s doing when he gets behind a podium, except good at it.

[Vitalsign]

4 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Yeah she gives kinda wishy-washy answers but otherwise is fine, which is definitely some milquetoast politician speak, sure, but it comes off as a sane, normal person giving an interview. And at this point, that fucking matters. It will be important to get her in front of more people, but when people say they don't know enough about her, I'm gonna go out on a limb and wager all these American citizens who want to know her better aren't actually talking policy, and just want to hear more about her as a person. Because that also really matters to a lot of American citizens. You know, a candidate you'd want to have a beer with?

 

Never assume Americans give a shit about policies. They like catch phrases and charisma.

 

I do care about policies. I'm not totally opposed the the wealth tax proposed by Harris team. I don't like Trump as a person at all. I do like his policies though. 

 

I legitimately went to Harris's site to read up on what she was proposing. There is nothing there. On the campaign website. 

[Xbob42]

1 minute ago, Vitalsign said:

 

I don't like Trump as a person at all. I do like his policies though. 

Yes the policies outlined in Project 2025 to look be masterful work.

[SaysWho?]

Also a friendly reminder that Trump is voting for the six week abortion ban in Florida.

[Vitalsign]

4 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Yes the policies outlined in Project 2025 to look be masterful work.

 

Those aren't his policies. 

[Xbob42]

Just now, Vitalsign said:

 

Those aren't his policies. 

lol. Okay sure. I got a bridge you can buy.

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

Those aren't his policies. 

They are. I know you’re coping with that one. You really want to believe somehow things will moderate with him despite everything he’s said and done.

 

He is Project 2025. 

[Vitalsign]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

They are. I know you’re coping with that one. You really want to believe somehow things will moderate with him despite everything he’s said and done.

 

He is Project 2025. 

 

Zero cope. Lots of Project 2025 is common sense. But it's a think tank wet dream from the Heritage Foundation. But so was the ACA. Once it became Obamacare the libs loved the idea! The cope may come when the Dems rebrand some of the ideas again. 

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

Zero cope. Lots of Project 2025 is common sense. But it's a think tank wet dream from the Heritage Foundation. But so was the ACA. Once it became Obamacare the libs loved the idea! The cope may come when the Dems rebrand some of the ideas again. 

No dude, you’re coping. And I don’t even mean that by trolling. You’ve made it clear that you think Republicans should get away from the culture issues. Fair.

 

Pretending that the guy who is the most extreme on abortion and solely responsible for the abortion bans across the country that he paved the way for, is somehow trying to get them away from abortion, is cope on the highest level.

 

If a national ban of abortion, banning porn, and removing people based on expertise and replace them on the basis on loyalty to the president are common sense, then you just support bad policy. Which is easier to just say so we can have a conversation about that. But none of the stuff you’re bringing up about Kamala is stuff you actually care about.

[Xbob42]

3 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

Zero cope. Lots of Project 2025 is common sense. 

Alright, not engaging with you anymore, you're clearly not a serious person.

[Vitalsign]

1 minute ago, SaysWho? said:

No dude, you’re coping. And I don’t even mean that by trolling. You’ve made it clear that you think Republicans should get away from the culture issues. Fair.

 

Pretending that the guy who is the most extreme on abortion and solely responsible for the abortion bans across the country that he paved the way for, is somehow trying to get them away from abortion, is cope on the highest level.

 

if a national ba  of abortion, banning porn, and removing people based on expertise and replace them on the basis on loyalty to the president, then you just support bad policy. Which is easier to just say so we can have a conversation about that. But none of the stuff you’re bringing up is stuff you actually care about.

 

Ok I have a proposal. You can choose 5 Project 2025 issues. The first one Trump pushes in office I'll take you to dinner at Bern's.

[Vitalsign]

3 minutes ago, Xbob42 said:

Alright, not engaging with you anymore, you're clearly not a serious person.

 

Entrepreneurship. To encourage entrepreneurship, the business loss limitation should be increased to at least $500,000. Businesses should also be allowed to fully carry forward net operating losses.

 

That's a Project 2025 suggestion. Why do you disagree with it? 

[Reputator]

33 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

Saying it once was fine. It wasn't the phrase once, it was saying dozens of times trying to land the delivery like it was some grand deep proclamation that was gonna wow the crowd. 

 

 

You mean she repeated a phrase during campaigning? My god, stop the presses. This literally never happens.

[SaysWho?]

11 minutes ago, Vitalsign said:

 

Ok I have a proposal. You can choose 5 Project 2025 issues. The first one Trump pushes in office I'll take you to dinner at Bern's.

Dude, after years of ‘nah roe v Wade is not getting overturned,’ you’ll have to do much better than ‘Trust me project 2025 won’t happen.’

 

The best way for it not to happen is to destroy Trump in November and every Republican who backs him.

[SuperSpreader]

I don't know why anyone entertains a Trump supporter's pretend goalposts that they setup in bad faith to pretend to be on the fence.

[b_m_b_m_b_m]

Vital showing up now is just proof that people don’t really turn in until about Labor Day.