Commissar SFLUFAN Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 9 minutes ago, Brick said: Had he not had that cold during the first debate, and sounded like how he's sounding now, do you really think people would have been calling for him to step down? Now maybe it was still the right call to make, as it was too close for Trump to make a win, and maybe Harris will crush him in the election now, but the way people were freaking out was too much, and just doomsaying. People were calling for him to reconsider his candidacy prior to the debate based on what appeared to practically be a 100% guaranteed defeat. The down ballot polling data was freakin' dire for the Democrats. The reaction to the debate wasn't "too much" nor was it "doomsaying" - what happened was a necessary reaction to what literally was shaping up to be an existential threat to the Democratic Party's electoral existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Project 2025 = Jim Crow 2.0 That works for me! Maybe that’s why Byron Donalds loves so much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 That Vice President line was good. He can still be a charming son of a bitch when he hits the mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I’m not crying at work. Nope, not at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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finaljedi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I don't know why I watch PBS coverage, I've not wanted to hear David Brooks' take on anything ever and there he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 29 minutes ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: No, no they really didn't. There was no evidence that he would've been able to sustain the gruelling pace necessary for a campaign, far less serve four more years as President. What we're seeing tonight is the liberating effects of having the burden removed from his shoulders. I mean teleprompters never hurt either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finaljedi Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 After this week there won't be anymore Biden fanfic from Trump, he's going to have to find something else to angrily truth about at 2am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, finaljedi said: After this week there won't be anymore Biden fanfic from Trump, he's going to have to find something else to angrily truth about at 2am. Isn't he still intermittently complaining about Hillary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, MarSolo said: All things considered, Kamala is the perfect candidate for the moment. TBF, she’s become the “perfect candidate” because of Joe Biden stepping down at the time he did, in the manner he did. Had it been an open primary I don’t know if dems would be this united and crushing the GOP in the polls. That’s not to say Harris hasn’t been great on her own: I’m saying the lack of a primary, none of the typical self-eating attacks, and no drawn out BS elevated Kamala in a way I don’t think anyone could have predicted. All that said, she’s certainly kept the momentum going on her own accord. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: People were calling for him to reconsider his candidacy prior to the debate based on what appeared to practically be a 100% guaranteed defeat. The down ballot polling data was freakin' dire for the Democrats. The reaction to the debate wasn't "too much" nor was it "doomsaying" - what happened was a necessary reaction to what literally was shaping up to be an existential threat to the Democratic Party's electoral existence. That debate was a work. He's actually perfectly fine but acted feeble because the power play was to transfer the presidency to Kamala. So far it seems to be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 BTW, I want to note, there’s a LOT of cheeses that are acceptable on a cheesesteak… but swiss? Wtf is wrong with you, jfc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 4 hours ago, CastlevaniaNut18 said: I’m not crying at work. Nope, not at all. Happy tears? I haven’t been keeping up on the news well but I’m pumped 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, stepee said: Happy tears? I haven’t been keeping up on the news well but I’m pumped Yeah, just kinda feel good. Not like blubbering or anything but I definitely got a little misty-eyed. which is something that rarely happens with me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just now, CastlevaniaNut18 said: Yeah, just kinda feel good. Not like blubbering or anything but I definitely got a little misty-eyed. which is something that rarely happens with me. I hate to be that guy but man people are getting excited and it’s wonderful to see 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastlevaniaNut18 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 6 minutes ago, stepee said: I hate to be that guy but man people are getting excited and it’s wonderful to see I’m cautiously optimistic. That heartbreak of 2016 is still pretty raw. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I’m pretty sure she got this 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 And the first woman president! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 If you vote for Trump over Harris you are a gigantic piece of shit 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 minutes ago, stepee said: If you vote for Trump over Harris you are a gigantic piece of shit What if you vote RFK Jr over Harris because you’re trying to raise brain worm awareness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 hour ago, Spork3245 said: BTW, I want to note, there’s a LOT of cheeses that are acceptable on a cheesesteak… but swiss? Wtf is wrong with you, jfc. Cheese Whiz, American, Cheddar, and Provolone are all acceptable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Just now, Spork3245 said: What if you vote RFK Jr over Harris because you’re trying to raise brain worm awareness? No. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spork3245 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, marioandsonic said: Cheese Whiz, American, Cheddar, and Provolone are all acceptable Mozzarella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 2 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: Mozzarella ...I'll accept that too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 ...also damn, I'm hungry for a cheesesteak now. OH GOD DAMN IT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOOD AGAIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 General Election poll 🔵 Harris 46% (+5) it's 4.6 538 rounds up 5 🔴 Trump 42% Last poll - 🔵 Harris +3 Big village #C - 1530 LV - 8/18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Queen Elizabeth Said Trump Was ‘Very Rude,’ and Had an ‘Arrangement’ With Melania WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM In a new book, Craig Brown writes that the queen believed the “very rude” Trump and Melania had “some sort of arrangement,” or else “why would she have remained married to him?” lmao 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I was just that American listening to Biden’s speech while waiting for my train in Krakow. Was a good speech. “I gave my best for you you” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b_m_b_m_b_m Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, Jason said: That was painful to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 5 hours ago, Spork3245 said: TBF, she’s become the “perfect candidate” because of Joe Biden stepping down at the time he did, in the manner he did. Had it been an open primary I don’t know if dems would be this united and crushing the GOP in the polls. That’s not to say Harris hasn’t been great on her own: I’m saying the lack of a primary, none of the typical self-eating attacks, and no drawn out BS elevated Kamala in a way I don’t think anyone could have predicted. All that said, she’s certainly kept the momentum going on her own accord. Avoiding a primary put her in a uniquely perfect position—no friendly fire to damage her and, just as importantly, no need to outflank the left wing of the party. (*said through a pouty frown*) Because as much as I wish the country were more progressive, IMO it’s clear the U.S.’s Overton window is still in centrist territory and to win the general election a candidate still has to run down the middle. No primary challenge from the left means she gets to tack to the center and play the semi-plausible “four years as VP changed my mind” to disavow unpopular positions she might have taken four years ago during the primaries. One day hopefully things will be different. And as someone who all of you remember was vocally in the “I’m not sure we should ditch Biden camp”, I think we shouldn’t underplay just how wrong that turned out to be and how much Biden himself or something about his situation and/or relationship with Harris was clearly holding the reelection campaign back. As I said in an earlier thread, it has been night-and-day better just in terms of executing the basics: staying on message, addressing liabilities, countering attacks, jumping on your opponent’s mistakes, etc. Don’t know what the story behind the scenes is, but since there wasn’t a huge change in terms of campaign staff, it probably had something to do with Biden. (although I’ll be quite happy if it just turns out that Harris happened to be waaaay better at playing the game than anyone anticipated) Either way, if we get the job done in November, I think he’ll go down in history as a very well-regarded president. FDR will be known as the guy who helped the U.S. save Europe from a fascist takeover—Biden will be known as the guy who helped save the U.S. from a fascist takeover within its own borders. That’s still one big goddamn *if*, of course. It was good to hear the speakers last night ending practically every speech with warnings against complacency. I almost wish the campaign’s slogan was “Vote, mfers!!!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonSnob Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Trump said that Harris will destroy the economy. Harris needs to hit back by pointing out that Trump was the first president since Hoover to leave office with FEWER jobs than when he got in office. Point out how he hurt the economy with his response to COVID and his tariffs. Or just say, "Do you really think a man with more bankruptcies than marriages who tried to sell steaks in Sharper Image, an electronics store knows anything about the economy?". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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