Rock the Vote '24: update (09/10) - It's "Debate Night" - do yourself a favor and play a video game instead

[skillzdadirecta]

On 8/17/2024 at 4:46 PM, Jason said:

 

Well the New York Times just decided to stop doing local NYC coverage, leaving the Post as the most influential local news outlet.

The Daily News doesn't exist anymore?

[Jason]

6 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

The Daily News doesn't exist anymore?

 

45k daily circulation vs 147k daily circulation for the Post.

[skillzdadirecta]

On 8/18/2024 at 10:01 AM, Spork3245 said:

Someone sat on a very sticky couch and scooped some out.

[skillzdadirecta]

22 hours ago, marioandsonic said:

 

It's amazing how much they hate being called weird, yet triple down on stupid shit like this.

Complete and total lack of self-awareness combined with living in an echo chamber.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Tonight's schedule:

[PaladinSolo]

Apparently dems never reach out for the Teamsters president O'Brien to speak, seems like a good thing to maybe squeeze him in somewhere now that its abundantly clear Trump doesn't give a shit about them.

 

Also the Palestinian protest is tiny, fraction of the number showed up, won't be much chaos i think.  This is a picture of all the unused signs after the protest moved.

 

[Jason]

Hochul

[skillzdadirecta]

4 hours ago, Best said:

 

But honestly isn't both parties trying to do what's best for the country?

The answer to this is NO. The Republican party that put Country over party is LONG dead. I remember thinking when McCain and Romney were running against Obama that we would be fine either way even though I didn't agree with most of their policies because both were better than Bush. The Republican party was actually trying to move more towards The Center until The Tea Party, Sarah Palin and eventually Trump. Republicans set themselves up for this for decades by appealing to subtle racism and xenophobia and through their courting of the Evangelical Right, homophobia, but now eveyrthing is out in the open. They have legit moved to just this side of straight up Facism and minortiy rule. The Republican party has become the party of Corporate interests, White Grieviance and Xenophobic Christaian nationalism and its been heading in this direction for a long time.

[legend]

2 hours ago, Best said:

My question for you guys is:

 

Are there any things going on in the Harris camp you guys DON'T AGREE WITH?

 

It seems like every time something negative gets publicized everyone just attacks the right and it's as though we can do no wrong. 

 

Am I just not reading into responses on here well enough? I'm really new to the political world so I understand that I may not be comprehending some things posted on here. 

 

But honestly isn't both parties trying to do what's best for the country? Again, I'm not as educated as you guys so I just need some explanation on this topic. But my point is, both the democratic and republican parties are full of human beings trying to do what they think is best. Why is there so much hate on here? 

 

I disagree with huge swaths of democrats and particular positions at any given time. 

 

However, even setting aside the new extreme awfulness that Trump has brought, the general positions of Republicans range from "misguided" to "horrifyingly bad." For example, anti-abortion is not a new concept brought by Trump, it's been there forever. They've just finally gotten it through after packing the courts with enough corrupt judges who outright lied to congress in their confirmation hearings.

 

The war drugs is primarily a long failed republican policy.

Putting religion into school is a republican policy.

 

"Trickle down economics" is a long failed republican policy, but one I would place more in the "misguided" category. There's some sense to it, but it doesn't seem to work in practice.

 

On a more broad level, I think Republicans fail at their original claimed philosophy of small government. They're very big government in terms of how people live their lives, and are only for small government when it comes to helping people who are not wealthy. The rich though will get plenty of tax breaks and bailouts.

 

 

 

As far as defending the left from the right, that's because the right of today is seemingly incapable of making any cogent and meaningful criticisms of the left. I'm not sure of the last criticism they made that wasn't blatant misinformation. Maybe there were some that were "merely" making mountains out of mole hills for something they were simultaneously much more guilty of? Not sure.

[PaladinSolo]

Unless dems keep the senate her policies are irrelevant, far more important if shes in office so if Alito or Thomas kick the bucket or resign we don't get a complete nutjob to replace them.

[SaysWho?]

3 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

Unless dems keep the senate her policies are irrelevant, far more important if shes in office so if Alito or Thomas kick the bucket or resign we don't get a complete nutjob to replace them.

 

That's why the Senate is as important.

[skillzdadirecta]

15 minutes ago, legend said:

There's some sense to it, but it doesn't seem to work in practice.

It doesn't work because it absolutely ignores a fundamental aspect of human nature... GREED. Or it doesn't ignore greed because it tricks people into feeding that greed. Trickle down was always bullshit.

[CitizenVectron]

6 minutes ago, SaysWho? said:

 

That's why the Senate is as important.

 

True, but the American people have a fetish for checks and balances, and so often will vote for the opposite party in their House/Senate race. Combined with how the Senate is ridiculously structured, and there is a real chance the Democrats never break 55 seats again. The best solution for Democrats (that I hope they take action on, should they even hold a 50-50 Senate) is the immediate statehood of DC and Puerto Rico (after removing the filibuster completely).

[PaladinSolo]

General Election poll

Harris 48% (+4)

Trump 44%

 

Last poll - Harris +3

 

Morning Consult #C - 11,501 RV - 8/18

[legend]

2 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said:

It doesn't work because it absolutely ignores a fundamental aspect of human nature... GREED. Or it doesn't ignore greed because it tricks people into feeding that greed. Trickle down was always bullshit.

 

The reason I think there is some sense to it is because some people do use some of their wealth in socially productive ways. I know people who made it big and then become angel investors for new start ups, etc. So there is evidence that people will re-invest their money into new projects that can lead to new jobs. But that just turns out to be a fraction and most of it just leads to higher inequality.

[CitizenVectron]

 

He can go suck a lemon. He spoke at the scab (GOP) convention because he wanted political jockeying for his approval/attention.

[SaysWho?]

4 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

True, but the American people have a fetish for checks and balances, and so often will vote for the opposite party in their House/Senate race. Combined with how the Senate is ridiculously structured, and there is a real chance the Democrats never break 55 seats again. The best solution for Democrats (that I hope they take action on, should they even hold a 50-50 Senate) is the immediate statehood of DC and Puerto Rico (after removing the filibuster completely).

 

100% we need statehood for both and removing the filibuster, but it's been a while since the Senate races diverged heavily from the presidential race. Susan Collins was the only Senator who won in her state when the opposing party won on a presidential level. 

 

2016, the Wisconsin/Pennsylvania Senate races were the same (GOP).

 

And in 2018, Republicans gained a net of two seats despite controlling the White House (that same map is back for 2024, unfortunately).

 

Split ticket voting isn't as prevalent currently, but it's also why it's important to make it happen in Florida and Texas if they don't turn blue presidentially. Hell, since the presidential race is still close in Florida, I hope she runs numbers to high that she takes Mucarsel-Powell with her over Sen. Rick Scott and get rid of that crook once and for all.

[skillzdadirecta]

2 minutes ago, legend said:

 

The reason I think there is some sense to it is because some people do use some of their wealth in socially productive ways. I know people who made it big and then become angel investors for new start ups, etc. So there is evidence that people will re-invest their money into new projects that can lead to new jobs. But that just turns out to be a fraction and most of it just leads to higher inequality.

You said it yourself that they are the exceptions. Also i suspect that this notion was more common in the decades prior to the 80's and the whole fetishization of Wall Street and the "greed is good" mantra that a lot of people have taken literally ever sense.The fact that we have overwhelming data showing that the wealth "trickles" to the top and genrally stays there shows how bullshit this policy is. I'm not advocating for socialism, or hanging the rich. I just don't buy into the notion that what's good for billionaires is good for the average person. It isn't. And the people getting squeezed the most are people in the middle. The shrinking middle class is pretty miuch propping this whole house of cards up.

[PaladinSolo]

8 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

He can go suck a lemon. He spoke at the scab (GOP) convention because he wanted political jockeying for his approval/attention.

I dunno, if he'd show up and actually endorse Harris while making it very clear that Trump betrayed his trust or something would be baller.

[69los]

13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

True, but the American people have a fetish for checks and balances, and so often will vote for the opposite party in their House/Senate race. Combined with how the Senate is ridiculously structured, and there is a real chance the Democrats never break 55 seats again. The best solution for Democrats (that I hope they take action on, should they even hold a 50-50 Senate) is the immediate statehood of DC and Puerto Rico (after removing the filibuster completely).

 

Puerto Rico is no guarantee to go blue although it should be given statehood if that's what they want.

 

I wish contraction could be an option. We don't need 2 Dakotas and Missibama sounds better the more you say it.

[PaladinSolo]

General Election poll -

Pennsylvania Trump 47% (+2)

Harris 45%

 

Insider advantage #B - 800 LV - 8/19

 

Republican pollster, last Poll was Trump + 4 vs Biden +7 vs Harris, so again big movement toward Harris.

[TUFKAK]

13 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said:

 

He can go suck a lemon. He spoke at the scab (GOP) convention because he wanted political jockeying for his approval/attention.

Oh trust, at my last union meeting we were openly insulting that fucking traitor 

[PaladinSolo]

 

Presidential Polling:

Harris (D): 50% (+7)

Trump (R): 48% (-3)

 

Huge swing toward Harris here.

 

SoCal Strategies / Aug 18, 2024 / n=876 (Republican Commissioner)

[marioandsonic]

2 hours ago, Xbob42 said:

Well, I dunno about represents them all, plenty of Republicans are just normal people who actually do just want what they believe is best for the country, like you said. A lot, however (or at least a loud minority) are just petty, vindictive and literally don't care about policy, they just want to "win" and get "liberal tears." This is a nearly worst-case scenario when it comes to politics as far as I'm concerned, with it only being surpassed if democrats devolve into the same thing, which then would lead to a race to the bottom and would be a rapid death spiral for the nation as a whole. For this shit to work, we need people to care and actually want improvements, which is hard when so many are misled by misinformation, disinformation, glorified ignorance, hatred of learning and science, etc.

 

The GOP is in a weird hole right now, and they need to dig themselves out and dump Trump and people like him. I think the Republicans have been putting forth terrible, racist and hateful policy for decades, but when I say "Republicans" I mean sneaky fucks doing it quietly Reagan, while the average Republican assumed they were just voting for, I dunno, lower taxes or whatever. Now the horrible shit's out in the open and not nearly enough people are horrified that this ghoulish nonsense is at the forefront of the party.

 

If Trump loses this year, I don't know what the GOP is going to do.  They've hitched their wagon to Trump for nearly a decade now, and he'll be in his 80s by the time 2028 rolls around.  Trump may not even be alive by then (because God forbid the universe do something to make me happy), and no one in the party has that...I dunno, aura? that Trump has.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Harris proposes raising the corporate tax rate to 28%, rolling back a Trump law

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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The vice president is rolling out her first revenue-raising policy proposal as the Democratic presidential nominee, and drawing a contrast with GOP opponent Donald Trump.

 

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 Vice President Kamala Harris is calling for raising the corporate tax rate to 28%, her first major proposal to raise revenues and finance expensive plans she wants to pursue as president.

 

Harris campaign spokesman James Singer told NBC News that she would push for a 28% corporate tax rate, calling it “a fiscally responsible way to put money back in the pockets of working people and ensure billionaires and big corporations pay their fair share.”

 

“As President, Kamala Harris will focus on creating an opportunity economy for the middle class that advances their economic security, stability, and dignity,” Singer wrote in an email.

 

If enacted, the policy would raise hundreds of billions of dollars, as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has projected that 1 percentage point increases in the corporate rate corresponds to about $100 billion over a decade. It would also roll back a big part of former President Donald Trump’s signature legislation in 2017 as president, which slashed the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21%.

 

 

Exactly halfway between the pre-Trump rate and the rate he got through Congress.

[ort]

1 hour ago, PaladinSolo said:

Apparently dems never reach out for the Teamsters president O'Brien to speak, seems like a good thing to maybe squeeze him in somewhere now that its abundantly clear Trump doesn't give a shit about them.

 

Also the Palestinian protest is tiny, fraction of the number showed up, won't be much chaos i think.  This is a picture of all the unused signs after the protest moved.

 

 

How is that possible? I was told there are hundreds of thousands of purple haired mask wearing brown people shuffling around yelling death to all jews and removing little boy penises and attaching them to little girls while burning down everything in their paths...

[Jason]

 

[marioandsonic]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

 

 

THEY.

 

HAVE.

 

NOTHING.

[Spork3245]

16 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

 

If Trump loses this year, I don't know what the GOP is going to do.  They've hitched their wagon to Trump for nearly a decade now, and he'll be in his 80s by the time 2028 rolls around.  Trump may not even be alive by then (because God forbid the universe do something to make me happy), and no one in the party has that...I dunno, aura? that Trump has.

The GOP will do the same thing that they do every time they lose a presidential election: double down and move further to the right.

[Commissar SFLUFAN]

Personally, if I was Secretary of the Treasury @Chris-, my approach would be to maintain a relatively moderate corporate income tax rate in the range of 22% to 25% but eliminate entire swaths of deductions.

[marioandsonic]

 

[Best]

2 minutes ago, marioandsonic said:

 

 

I didn't know that piece of shit was only a few minutes away from me today. 

[PaladinSolo]

 

[PaladinSolo]

Dunno if we'll see a bounce since she's still rising. 

 

 

 

 

This one is of only B/A rated pollsters from 538.

 

 

[marioandsonic]

8 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said:

 

 

Any politician who doesn't get Cheeze Whiz deserves to lose PA, there I said it