skillzdadirecta Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: In other words, practically identical to what's happening now Except now Trump won't even do any sanctions symbolically or otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: My thought exercise is how would a theoretical Clinton administration attempt to weasel out of this one. We know it wouldn't be nearly as ham-fisted as the Imbecile-in-Chief, but there is little doubt in my mind the the general trajectory of US policy vis-a-vis Saudi Arabia would more or less remain the same because that "devil's bargain" with the House of Saud transcends political parties. You're discounting whether Saudi would have been this bold under a Clinton presidency, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Except now Trump won't even do any sanctions symbolically or otherwise. We did "sanction" 17 Saudis connected to the case, so that's "something". 13 minutes ago, Jason said: You're discounting whether Saudi would have been this bold under a Clinton presidency, though. While that is absolutely true, I'm speaking on a purely theoretical level that the Saudis decided to "go off the reservation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, SFLUFAN said: 21 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: We did "sanction" 17 Saudis connected to the case, so that's "something". You mean the 17 scapegoats and sacrificial lambs who are already in jail awaiting execution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Just now, skillzdadirecta said: You mean the 17 scapegoats and sacrificial lambs who are already in jail awaiting execution? Yes, those exactly those people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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skillzdadirecta Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jason said: This was part of the rant I was talking about in the other thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Fuck off Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Jason said: Fuck off Bob. If only these guys could do something about this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaladinSolo Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Can't wait for the inevitable "McConnell says no," and they all go "Awww shucks, well tried." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, PaladinSolo said: Eat shit and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: Eat shit and die. Ah Do Declah might enjoy that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 If they are genuinely serious about punishing Saudi Arabia, then they have to explain to the American public the very real economic and security consequences of taking on the House of Saud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SuperSpreader Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 But her 9/11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osxmatt Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Republicans have a clinical fetish for Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, Jason said: https://puu.sh/C5dzH/80a2480915.mp4 I reaaaaally wish I had a soundboard from Destiny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 11 hours ago, SFLUFAN said: If they are genuinely serious about punishing Saudi Arabia, then they have to explain to the American public the very real economic and security consequences of taking on the House of Saud. Are most people even capable of understanding said explanation, though, in any real sense? 98% of the nation has lived its entire life with the dollar as the global reserve currency and all its attendant privileges, most of them just assuming it has that status because ‘America is the bestest!’ and not for any particular, historically contingent economic reasons...can they even envision a world where it’s not, and all the consequences of the fall of King Dollar? I’m doubtful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Are most people even capable of understanding said explanation, though, in any real sense? 98% of the nation has lived its entire life with the dollar as the global reserve currency and all its attendant privileges, most of them just assuming it has that status because ‘America is the bestest!’ and not for any particular, historically contingent economic reasons...can they even envision a world where it’s not, and all the consequences of the fall of King Dollar? I’m doubtful. No, they're not, but at least they can't say they weren't warned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skillzdadirecta Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Well we know what President Chump is thankful for this Thanksgiving Let's see... Obama customarily bows to the Japanese prime minister and Fox news and The Right loses its collective shit. Trump goes out of his way to thank the government that murdered an American resident and... crickets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: Are most people even capable of understanding said explanation, though, in any real sense? 98% of the nation has lived its entire life with the dollar as the global reserve currency and all its attendant privileges, most of them just assuming it has that status because ‘America is the bestest!’ and not for any particular, historically contingent economic reasons...can they even envision a world where it’s not, and all the consequences of the fall of King Dollar? I’m doubtful. For those of us with only a rudimentary understanding of the US-Saudi alliance and all it entails, what would be the cliff notes consequences that would happen if the US split from Saudi Arabia and the Saudis did their worst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, CitizenVectron said: For those of us with only a rudimentary understanding of the US-Saudi alliance and all it entails, what would be the cliff notes consequences that would happen if the US split from Saudi Arabia and the Saudis did their worst? (1) The Saudis could cause a significant disruption in the world oil markets by enacting an embargo on the United States. Of course, this will hurt the Saudis, but it could be somewhat made up for with increased sales to China and India (at a discount, of course). In the near-term, this would be a significant economic shock to the United States. (2) The Saudis could instruct the imams at their Salafist/Wahhabist madrassas to issue jihad fatwas that would target American interests in the Muslim world. (3) The Saudis could begin divesting themselves of US dollar-based investments that their sovereign wealth fund has been involved in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, skillzdadirecta said: Trump goes out of his way to thank the government that murdered an American resident and... crickets. It is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: (1) The Saudis could cause a significant disruption in the world oil markets by enacting an embargo on the United States. Of course, this will hurt the Saudis, but it could be somewhat made up for with increased sales to China and India (at a discount, of course). In the near-term, this would be a significant economic shock to the United States. (2) The Saudis could instruct the imams at their Salafist/Wahhabist madrassas to issue jihad fatwas that would target American interests in the Muslim world. (3) The Saudis could begin divesting themselves of US dollar-based investments that their sovereign wealth fund has been involved in. So this would provide a pretty sever economic disruption in the short-term, but wouldn't the US be fine in the medium and long term, especially as it would spur more US oil development? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 21, 2018 Author Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, CitizenVectron said: So this would provide a pretty sever economic disruption in the short-term, but wouldn't the US be fine in the medium and long term, especially as it would spur more US oil development? That's correct, but since when have Americans been willing endure any "pain", even in the short-term? It would also benefit you all a lot too, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CitizenVectron Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, SFLUFAN said: That's correct, but since when have Americans been willing endure any "pain", even in the short-term? It would also benefit you all a lot too, eh? Oh definitely! Canada's oil industry is in the biggest crisis of it's history due to a massive oversupply resulting from US refinery shutdowns. There is talk of legislation mandating reduction in production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, b_m_b_m_b_m said: Cucker Carlson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkableriots Posted December 1, 2018 Share Posted December 1, 2018 https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/us-saudi-arabia-sign-2415b-missile-defense-system-deal/vi-BBQgqjz Quote The U.S. and Saudi Arabia have officially inked a deal for a $15 billion missile defense system. It's a major step forward in an agreement that was finalized last year . Saudi Arabia will buy 44 of Lockheed Martin's Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, launchers, missiles and other equipment, which is meant to help boost Saudi Arabia's security against Iran and other threats in the region. This advancement comes amid sharp criticism of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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