Jason Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Donald Trump is barred from Colorado’s 2024 primary ballot, the state Supreme Court rules https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/19/trump-off-colorado-ballot/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 in b4 SCOTUS overturns it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, GeneticBlueprint said: in b4 SCOTUS overturns it They are absolutely going to overturn it because the 14th Amendment has no bearing on a primary vote run by a private organization (the Republican Party). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 So when do GOP-controlled states rull that Biden can't be on the ballot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 It’s too good to be true, but it would be funny to see more states follow suit and have Trump’s lawyers stuck in appeals for a while. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Politico had some articles about an effort to do this in the general election in several states. I don't think it's likely to hold up. The people want Trump back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reputator Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 They would just write his name in. This doesn't actually do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclumber1 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: They are absolutely going to overturn it because the 14th Amendment has no bearing on a primary vote run by a private organization (the Republican Party). 1. Does SCOTUS have jurisdiction over a primary elections where private organizations pick their candidate? 2. It would be interesting if SCOTUS rules that he can't be barred from the primary, but can be barred from the general election based on the text of the 14th Amendment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Good. Planning and attempting a coup should come with consequences. It's not a firing squad, and I'm sure it'll get overturned, but it's a start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, mclumber1 said: 1. Does SCOTUS have jurisdiction over a primary elections where private organizations pick their candidate? 2. It would be interesting if SCOTUS rules that he can't be barred from the primary, but can be barred from the general election based on the text of the 14th Amendment. I can’t imagine SCOTUS going out of the way to rule he can’t be on the general unless that’s specifically brought to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Massdriver said: Politico had some articles about an effort to do this in the general election in several states. I don't think it's likely to hold up. The people want Trump back. I think it's less about "the people" wanting Trump back (he once again has the same 47ish percent he had the previous two elections) and more Biden's unpopularity currently. Both men are at sub-50% support, which means lots of undecideds. My feeling from what I've seen -- not saying gun to my head -- is that 2024 will hinge on Biden's popularity. Even though the economy is objectively good by so many metrics, inflation is inflation. It doesn't matter to people that ours has come down significantly quicker than just about every other developed nation, at least for now. But if people feel things are better and Biden is more popular for it, I think he would be set to win. If he's forever at 38% approval, then he doesn't. Caveats would be all the lawsuits against Trump and the trials which are happening at times when people are more tuned into political news. I think a lot of people are missing that Trump is quoting Hitler right now, but it's not going to be silent during election season. I also met people who were wondering if they should vote and freaked the fuck out when I told them Trump wants to pardon the Jan 6 morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5timechamp Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 might as well put that out and get this noise done and out of the way… im sure Biden off the ticket in some states is already being worked on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, SaysWho? said: I think it's less about "the people" wanting Trump back (he once again has the same 47ish percent he had the previous two elections) and more Biden's unpopularity currently. Both men are at sub-50% support, which means lots of undecideds. My feeling from what I've seen -- not saying gun to my head -- is that 2024 will hinge on Biden's popularity. Even though the economy is objectively good by so many metrics, inflation is inflation. It doesn't matter to people that ours has come down significantly quicker than just about every other developed nation, at least for now. But if people feel things are better and Biden is more popular for it, I think he would be set to win. If he's forever at 38% approval, then he doesn't. Caveats would be all the lawsuits against Trump and the trials which are happening at times when people are more tuned into political news. I think a lot of people are missing that Trump is quoting Hitler right now, but it's not going to be silent during election season. I also met people who were wondering if they should vote and freaked the fuck out when I told them Trump wants to pardon the Jan 6 morons. Most people don't know that inflation has been much worse in other countries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Trump's going to be our next president, again, isn't he? 😞 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, Derek said: Trump's going to be our next president, again, isn't he? 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioandsonic Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Derek said: Trump's going to be our next and last president, again, isn't he? 😞 FTFY. Trump will declare himself king or dictator, and all of the GOP will just go with it. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Keyser_Soze Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, Derek said: Trump's going to be our next president, again, isn't he? 😞 Not if he accidentally fell into a woodchipper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 20, 2023 Author Share Posted December 20, 2023 12 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Not if he accidentally fell into a woodchipper. Preet Bharara would like to know your location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I’ve accepted the fate we’re barreling towards and our populace will deserve it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 You know, I remember about 4 years ago in the lead up to the 2020 election I got a lot of scoffs from people, even some on this board, for saying that if Trump won he would almost certainly run for a third term in 2024. People were way too confident that something like the 22nd amendment would preclude him from running again. Seeing him steamroll the 14th amendment pretty much in exactly the way that I predicted the 22nd amendment would not stop a guy with 90% support in the Republican Party is a bummer to see I was probably right all along. Wade pointing out about the amendment not applying to primaries is the exactly the point I made about the 22nd. And Republicans are already leaning hard on the "the voters, not judges should decide on who runs for president" is another one pretty much word for word I brought up. And once Trump wins the nomination with overwhelming support, it will be hard for any court to seemingly strike down his candidacy(again, this would be true of the 22nd as much as the 14th). And it's not exactly a dead issue. If he wins in 2024, and he somehow makes it to 2028, I say there's a good chance he runs again. Edit: Oh, and by the way, mark my words SCOTUS will overrule this, but also not side with Trump on the presidential immunity thing and the mainstream media will laud it as a triumph of moderation and compromise. SCOTUS loves when Trump brings these absolute bonkers cases that even they can't side with because when they rule against him the media slobbers all over them for doing the bare minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signifyin(g)Monkey Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 12 hours ago, marioandsonic said: So when do GOP-controlled states rull that Biden can't be on the ballot? One reason Im not sure I like what’s going on here, as dangerous as I think Trump is. I can easily imagine smart authoritarians like they have in Eastern Europe coming to power and using this precedent to disqualify their most popular opponents. Then again, that might happen anyway, precedent or no precedent. So who knows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 I genuinely think some users here doom and gloom way too much. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 hour ago, MarSolo said: I genuinely think some users here doom and gloom way too much. If our friends spent as much time trying to register voters in their community as they did thinking about the worst case scenario to every event, they could take agency and not feel like a passive observer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SaysWho? said: If our friends spent as much time trying to register voters in their community as they did thinking about the worst case scenario to every event, they could take agency and not feel like a passive observer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatoneshere Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 hours ago, MarSolo said: I genuinely think some users here doom and gloom way too much. To be fair to those who do so, it's been earned. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Supreme Court boxed into corner over Donald Trump decision WWW.NEWSWEEK.COM Donald Trump has been removed from the Colorado ballot, but the U.S. Supreme Court may be able to save his candidacy. In its decision, the Colorado Supreme Court quoted Neil Gorsuch, who was a Colorado judge when he blocked a presidential candidate from the state ballot in 2012. In the 2012 ruling, Gorsuch noted that the independent candidate, Abdul Hassan, was born in Guyana, which excluded him from running for president and that Colorado has the right to set its own ballot rules. "One of the things that you'll find in this ruling is some reliance is based on writings of Neil Gorsuch -- Justice Gorsuch -- and what he had to say about protecting ballots from people who did not belong on them," Nicolais told CBS News after Tuesday's Colorado Supreme Court decision. "So I think there's actually a very good chance we can win at the U.S. Supreme Court level." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 Imagine thinking this SCOTUS is incapable of just making shit up to get the conclusion it wants. Also isn't Newsweek basically Fox now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsida Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 True true, but it’ll be interesting seeing how they make shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 12 hours ago, SaysWho? said: If our friends spent as much time trying to register voters in their community as they did thinking about the worst case scenario to every event, they could take agency and not feel like a passive observer. I live in the bay, we’re good here 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Jason said: Imagine thinking this SCOTUS is incapable of just making shit up to get the conclusion it wants. Also isn't Newsweek basically Fox now? No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted December 21, 2023 Author Share Posted December 21, 2023 Just now, SaysWho? said: No? Yes? How Newsweek Has Gone Down the Far-Right Rabbit Hole WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM The once-esteemed magazine has been reduced to a soapbox for the far right, a new study reveals, thanks to a MAGA activist running the opinions page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzzzle Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Here's where I'm at, if anyone asks (which you shouldn't). The SCOTUS is going to do everything they can to side step this, meaning they will tell Colorado that they don't have the authority to do this but only in a way that clears them from making any grand statements about the authority of the federal government to overstep state elections. Basically they will say that because it's a primary election, the government can't step in and it will bypass the issue entirely. Should Donald trump be barred from running for office? Maybe, but opening up that legal pandoras box isn't something I'm sure we should do, because it opens the door for any state with a supermajority to just ban people they don't like. It's fun when it's our side doing it but wait until it happens in North Carolina. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jason said: Yes? How Newsweek Has Gone Down the Far-Right Rabbit Hole WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM The once-esteemed magazine has been reduced to a soapbox for the far right, a new study reveals, thanks to a MAGA activist running the opinions page. 20 minutes ago, Jason said: Yes? How Newsweek Has Gone Down the Far-Right Rabbit Hole WWW.THEDAILYBEAST.COM The once-esteemed magazine has been reduced to a soapbox for the far right, a new study reveals, thanks to a MAGA activist running the opinions page. This is talking about the opinions section, which has nothing to do with the link outsida posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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