Mercury33 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 @Kal-El814 I agree with a good chunk of everything you said. I was absolutely crushed with how disappointing the finale was given that I loved the entirety of the rest of the season. Up until that point I was on board with basically every single change they made. They were being so smart. That being said, everyone I know that hasn’t read the books really enjoyed the finale so I decided to watch it again with lowered expectations. And while I didn’t love it, I was able to appreciate it a bit more. The one thing I loved no matter what was the casting of an actor to play The Dark One. Brilliant, and the guy the picked seems fantastic. He gives off a bit of that Gabriel Byrne/Al Pacino as the devil sort of vibe. The final confrontation was beyond disappointing but given the struggles they said they had with CGI and Covid I can understand that recreating the book finale would have been basically impossible. I still would have liked it to be a bit more dramatic though. I still hate how they won the battle in the gap to my core. That was fucking stupid from every angle. They could have figured out a way to tie to Rand. The horn being under the thrown. Sure, whatever. Would have been bette to have it at the Eye but I get why they changed it so whatever. Loial being stabbed off screen was a waste. That was the perfect thing to build even more massive heat on Fain. Show him doing it if you’re gonna go that route. Moraine being cut off? I despised that on first viewing but I’m assuming she gets it back right away in S2 and it shows how powerful the Dark One is. I’m on the fence till I see how it’s addressed in S2. Im also willing to give them a bit of a pass given that Mat left the show after Ep6 and that has to have fucked up their plans for the last two episodes. Moraines height and the distance to the eye I don’t have issue with 😂 I think it’s pretty universal that the show was really good overall and they did a fantastic job adapting the source but that it absolutely needs to be 10 episodes. There’s too much in those books to handcuff yourself to just 8. Im hoping Amazon ups their budget but even if they don’t. S1 of these types of shows is always the most expensive and if the budget stays the same S2 should look like it got an increase. Still super excited for S2, just wish they’d stuck the landing more like Witcher did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 Just to be clear I have absolutely no issue with how tall Moraine is or how long the trip to the Eye is, they just amuse me I thought the blight looked really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 Oh yeah. The actor for the Dark One was awesome. Fares Fares. I've seen him in other stuff and really liked him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 We all mean Spoiler Ishamael Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted December 29, 2021 Author Share Posted December 29, 2021 I... think so? I'm only starting the third book in earnest recently. I barely remember names and stuff from the previous two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 WHOOPS, I mean kinda sorta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted December 29, 2021 Share Posted December 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Kal-El814 said: We all mean Reveal hidden contents Ishamael Right? Haha yes that’s who I mean. And I agree that the Blight looked fantastic. I guess they actually built the blight as a set and it was about as long as a football field. I think them embracing the use of practical effects/make up/sets when possible goes a long way in how good the show feels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siebzehn Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 On 12/29/2021 at 5:25 PM, Kal-El814 said: We all mean Hide contents Ishamael Right? I was wondering if I was going crazy or misremembering while reading through this that you guys weren't using his name. It is a book spoiler though so it makes sense. Definitely enjoyed the first season. There were some misses absolutely and I agreed with a lot of what was said so far. But overall I'm very pleased with how its going and think a lot of the changes they made are better than the books. I feel like right now the show is on a knife's edge, it could go one way where they're changing just enough to still be the same story from the books and on the other they're going to swing wildly and tell another story. The Dragon being split into four is the one bit thrown in that has me concerned, and I'm not sure I would like that change at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 I finally got to watch this. I really don't like some of the changes to the story. I realize things need to be cut for TV, but a lot of the changes aren't cuts, just outright changes for no reason. Right away, they make it seem like Saidin and Saidar are one thig. "When you touch it, you make it fil thy"? What? No thats not how that works, they are separate powers. Its just a bad change that can only snowball down the line. Nynaeve straight tries to murder Lan. Nynaeve isn't a murderer, she's the exact opposite of that. Buening out Moiraine? Wtf? Spoiler Nynaeve doesn't learn to heal that for like 9 books. She can't even reliably channel for almost half the story. Perrin having a wife, then killing her (even accidentally)? Wtf. It just reeks of changes that will snowball down the line and change the story too much. Like Judkins thinks he can do a better job than Jordan did, or something. He definitely can't. I seriously hope the new Mat is better than this one was. I disliked him from episode 1. I never disliked Mat, he was one of my favorite characters. And then that final episode. Wow! What terrible trash. 😢 Im not sure im interested in s2 at this point. But if the public enjoys it, good for them I guess. Seems it wasn't made for longtime fans. Like I said, cuts obviously need to be made, but these changes feel he wanted to use the WoT, but not tell its story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 ‘The Wheel Of Time’ Renewed For Season 3 At Amazon DEADLINE.COM Amazon has handed an early Season 3 renewal to its fantasy series 'The Wheel of Time.' The move was announced during the show’s Comic-Con presentation No release date for season 2 yet, but season 3 is already greenlit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 I don’t know if I’m going to bother watching anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 23, 2022 Author Share Posted July 23, 2022 The first season had plenty of issues but there was still plenty good there IMO. Certainly enough to give it a go in a second season with more budget, planning, and logistics taken into account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: The first season had plenty of issues but there was still plenty good there IMO. Certainly enough to give it a go in a second season with more budget, planning, and logistics taken into account. Agreed. There is some genuinely great stuff in that first season. Basically everything with Moiraine and Lan. And to be fair it was building and building to a really great spot and fell off the rails with the two post Covid episodes were they had to pivot becasue Matt left. Hopefully now that they’ve got all the set up out of the way and a full production cycle to settle back in they can get it back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 11 hours ago, GeneticBlueprint said: The first season had plenty of issues but there was still plenty good there IMO. Certainly enough to give it a go in a second season with more budget, planning, and logistics taken into account. They ruined the whole series for me when they made the One Power a single force, instead of two halves of the power, and making Moiraine the lead. Spoiler Moiraine isn't even in half of the books, she's incredibly important to the story, but not nearly as important as rand, matt, and perrin. And then theres Perrin's ridiculous backstory. Just so much that causes long term fundamental problems with the future of the story. The whole book series is a treatise on the differences and between men and women, wrapped in the trappings of a fantasy series. They made it inherently worse by straying so far from the source material. I think im done with it. Theres no way for me to separate it from the book series I love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massdriver Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 My issue isn’t with the changes from book, although some are unnecessary and quite annoying. That could all be overcome. I simply did not connect with most of the characters at all. It felt generic and forced. As bad As GoT ends, watch a few episodes of season 1 and see what it feels like to have great characters the audience is pulled to and pacing that allows that connection. They need more episodes to let the show breath, at least 10 episodes a season. They may also need new writers, directors, and actors (seriously, we shall see how season 2 does). I know I kind of defended the show as I was watching, but after digesting it, I kind of barfed a bit. :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Massdriver said: My issue isn’t with the changes from book, although some are unnecessary and quite annoying. That could all be overcome. I simply did not connect with most of the characters at all. It felt generic and forced. As bad As GoT ends, watch a few episodes of season 1 and see what it feels like to have great characters the audience is pulled to and pacing that allows that connection. They need more episodes to let the show breath, at least 10 episodes a season. They may also need new writers, directors, and actors (seriously, we shall see how season 2 does). I know I kind of defended the show as I was watching, but after digesting it, I kind of barfed a bit. :P There was a lot of things I liked about the first season including the actors but you are right it needed 2 more episodes everything felt rushed and it needed more time to slow down and connect with the characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 2 hours ago, DPCyric said: There was a lot of things I liked about the first season including the actors but you are right it needed 2 more episodes everything felt rushed and it needed more time to slow down and connect with the characters. I generally liked season 1 and I agree 100%. Everything with the kids felt way too rushed and then everything fell apart in Episode 7/8. I was 100% on board with every change they made up until the finale. But I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how season 2 plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 I mean the only way they have a fucking prayer of "finishing" is by rushing the absolute bejeezus out of everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 24, 2022 Share Posted July 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: I mean the only way they have a fucking prayer of "finishing" is by rushing the absolute bejeezus out of everything. Well there’s also a fair amount of filler crap that inflates the length and number of those books. They still need closer to 8-10 seasons vs 5/6 but they could do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 2 hours ago, Mercury33 said: Well there’s also a fair amount of filler crap that inflates the length and number of those books. They still need closer to 8-10 seasons vs 5/6 but they could do it God willing they'll introduce Faile Bashere and she'll immediately fall into an open manhole that's there for no reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Kal-El814 said: God willing they'll introduce Faile Bashere and she'll immediately fall into an open manhole that's there for no reason. 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heydude93 Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Wheel of Time Reveals First Trailer for Season 2 GIZMODO.COM The epic fight against the Dark One has barely begun in the TV series based on the best-selling fantasy novels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 New Matt looks close enough. I’ve already forgotten the old one anyway haha. Despite my complete and utter hatred of the finale. I did really enjoy the show. Hoping they can slow down to take a breath and take the next step in season 2. Rings of Power pretty much moved the bar for Fantasy TV to the moon though so we’ll see how this holds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodyHell Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I have so many problems with this series that im not sure I'll bother. Sad, because WoT is my favorite fantasy series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted May 31, 2023 Author Share Posted May 31, 2023 'The Wheel of Time' season 2 approaches in these first-look photos EW.COM 'The Wheel of Time' season 2 is almost here! Check in with Moiraine and meet some new faces in these first-look photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Im cautiously optimistic. I think Covid derailed S1 hard. The first 8(?) episodes were really solid. Great adaptation? Not really, but solid in the own world they were building. Then Covid delayed the final two episodes of the show, the actor playing Matt was fired and they CLEARLY had some kind of rewrite to get around him not being there. Those last two episodes felt so off compared so the first bunch completed before the Covid break. Sooooo with an uninterrupted S2 I’m hoping they can get it back on track. At the end of the day the more high budget fantasy we get the better haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Think of how much they'll be able to save in the middle part of the series where the actor who plays Perrin can be replaced by a cardboard cutout that doesn't move and just gets slapped around by Faile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I have zero memory of anything that happens in the second book lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 19, 2023 Author Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Modern pop in fantasy trailers worked for like two GoT trailers ten years ago. Hasn't ever worked in any other instance and this trailer is no exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Works perfectly fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 Nah. It’s bad. Doesn’t help that the song isn’t good either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercury33 Posted July 20, 2023 Share Posted July 20, 2023 Nope it works. Totally fine trailer. Disliking the song in a trailer and the trailer objectively being bad are not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneticBlueprint Posted July 20, 2023 Author Share Posted July 20, 2023 It’s fine if it’s on mute. Totally agree there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kal-El814 Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 The only pop songs that should accompany fantasy trailers are the Benny Hill theme and Whipped Cream by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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