Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Signifyin(g)Monkey said: So—hope porn of tonight’s election results, or doom porn of all the polls showing Biden trailing Trump? Which kink better tracks what’s likely to happen on election night 2024? It's entirely possible that both will be correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar SFLUFAN Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Post-election analysis from Chuck Todd: Chuck Todd: Elections lay bare the party blind spots the rest of us see WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Analysis: Tuesday's election results once again showed how Republicans are struggling on abortion. But they didn't erase Democrats' problems, either. Quote But increasingly, it does look like the abortion position that swing voters prefer is simply a nonstarter for these crucial GOP primary voters. And yet, here they are. The bottom line is this: A huge swath of voters are pro-access, and that’s the better way to describe the abortion debate these days, because for the voters, it’s about access. As long as the GOP is seen as the party trying to limit access, many swing voters, it appears, are going to consistently vote against their candidates or positions. Quote This is a fairly clear-cut example of voters deeming a political party out of touch. This is what the 2024 campaign could ultimately be about: a referendum on which party the voters think is more out of touch with their lives. With a rematch between an unpopular president and an unpopular former president as the most likely scenario for the fall, it’s hard to picture this campaign being about anything other than a race to scare voters into believing the other choice is worse. Quote Sometimes, where a poll gets published is as important as what the numbers themselves are. That’s the key takeaway from the battleground state polling The New York Times released this week, showing a potentially disastrous result for Democrats if the 2024 elections were held this week. Biden was losing in five of the six closest states from 2020, and, more alarmingly for the Democratic incumbent, he trailed by 5 points or more in four of the states. In the lone state in which he led in the poll, Wisconsin, Biden’s lead was a mere 2 points. Of course, the poll really didn’t say anything that plenty of other polls haven’t shown for six months or more. Biden has been stuck in a rut with voters for just about this entire calendar year; in fact, one could argue he still hasn’t recovered from his initial polling drop following the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan in 2021. But because so many Democratic donors and elected officials read the Times, these polls are having a bigger impact on the psyche of the donors, elected officials and activists who comprise the Democratic Party’s elite. Quote The deeper you dig into these polls, the worse news you discover for Biden. The coalition of voters he needs to win re-election is fracturing. There’s a growing multi-ethnic working-class coalition forming — but not for Biden. It’s forming for former President Donald Trump, as his support among Black and Latino voters appears to nearing or exceeding all-time highs for him. Toss in the fact that Biden continues to struggle with younger voters who believe he’s too old to serve a second term, and it’s hard to find any good news in these numbers for the sitting president. The only good news for the blue team from the poll is that a generic Democrat would lead Trump by 8 points. Translation: Democrats have a Biden problem, more than an economy or inflation problem. Quote Every single poll that has asked about Biden’s age has shown similar results as the Times poll did. An overwhelming majority are concerned about it. Look deeper into some of the other weaknesses voters see in Biden’s presidency and one can’t help but wonder if the concerns about his ability to lead on the economy or overseas are all simply derivative of the concerns about his age. It looks as if that’s the prism through which voters are judging Biden’s entire presidency. That’s a problem. And right now, they don’t seem to have a plan to deal with it. Quote One thing Trump has going for him is that voters — even those who don’t like him — see him as a fighter, according to strategists who have been studying voter perceptions of Trump. And whatever one thinks of his other qualities, it’s true that he is a fighter, at least when it comes to the courtroom or the press or anyone he has a beef with. Team Biden believes their candidate is the more authentic fighter for the little guy, but the lack of vigor in this campaign so far makes that messaging more difficult. The part below is a REALLY salient point and one that I thoroughly agree with! Quote Trying to limit Biden’s public interactions and public campaigning is not going to make this problem go away for the Democrats. They need to confront this head on by accepting the risk of Biden being Biden and going out in public more and letting it all hang out, warts and all. The staff treats him like a Fabergé egg. If he really needs this type of protection, then maybe he shouldn’t run. But from everything I know about Biden, this isn’t the case. Yes, he’s a tad slower and his voice isn’t as strong, but if Democrats want to win, they need to get voters more comfortable with how he is, period. A good place to start with this type of "exposure" campaign would be to have a Town Hall-style meeting in somewhere like Michigan with Middle Eastern/Islamic Americans who feel abandoned/alienated by his administration's seemingly unconditional support of Israel's military actions in Gaza. Yeah, it will be rough for him, but that's the type of atmosphere he needs to engage with to start to mitigate the concerns about his age. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I got 2 hours of leave to vote yesterday. I left early and didn't vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 people dunking on those shitty mom 4 liberty ***** is hilarious Edit: let's not engage in misogyny, even for an odious group like that one - Exalted General Secretary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Firewithin said: people dunking on those shitty mom 4 liberty ***** is hilarious Who Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firewithin Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, SuperSpreader said: Who a terrorist group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSpreader Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Firewithin said: a terrorist group Mamas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Mamas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonSnob Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Dems NEED to follow the Beshear and Tester blueprints on how to win in ruby red states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 33 minutes ago, SuperSpreader said: Who Wiki: “Moms for Liberty is an American far-right conservative political organization that advocates against school curricula that mention LGBTQIA+ rights, race and ethnicity, critical race theory, and discrimination. Multiple chapters have also campaigned to ban books that address gender and sexuality from school libraries.“ Right-wing group ‘Moms for Liberty’ call police over library book WWW.INDEPENDENT.CO.UK Moms for Liberty was designated an ‘anti-government extremist’ organisation by the Southern Poverty Law Center in June so, just a group really concerned about FREEDOM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser_Soze Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Abortion is sexy and brings in young voters so they shouldn't have put it on the ballot Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads WWW.THREADS.NET pure unadulterated copium on Newsmax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairslinger Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Keyser_Soze said: Abortion is sexy and brings in young voters so they shouldn't have put it on the ballot Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads WWW.THREADS.NET pure unadulterated copium on Newsmax I love that. How dare young people have a say in reproductive rights! Clearly old men and women who have already went through menopause are the only ones who should be deciding abortion law! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Keyser_Soze said: Abortion is sexy and brings in young voters so they shouldn't have put it on the ballot Aaron Rupar (@aaron.rupar) on Threads WWW.THREADS.NET pure unadulterated copium on Newsmax I also liked the part at the end where he denounces democracy and the news anchors laugh in agreement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Post-election analysis from Chuck Todd: Chuck Todd: Elections lay bare the party blind spots the rest of us see WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Analysis: Tuesday's election results once again showed how Republicans are struggling on abortion. But they didn't erase Democrats' problems, either. The part below is a REALLY salient point and one that I thoroughly agree with! A good place to start with this type of "exposure" campaign would be to have a Town Hall-style meeting in somewhere like Michigan with Middle Eastern/Islamic Americans who feel abandoned/alienated by his administration's seemingly unconditional support of Israel's military actions in Gaza. Yeah, it will be rough for him, but that's the type of atmosphere he needs to engage with to start to mitigate the concerns about his age. Yeah, Biden for the most part is shockingly great with interacting with younger voters. Let him be out there more to shut down the “he has dementia” shit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 5 hours ago, Commissar SFLUFAN said: Post-election analysis from Chuck Todd: Chuck Todd: Elections lay bare the party blind spots the rest of us see WWW.NBCNEWS.COM Analysis: Tuesday's election results once again showed how Republicans are struggling on abortion. But they didn't erase Democrats' problems, either. The part below is a REALLY salient point and one that I thoroughly agree with! A good place to start with this type of "exposure" campaign would be to have a Town Hall-style meeting in somewhere like Michigan with Middle Eastern/Islamic Americans who feel abandoned/alienated by his administration's seemingly unconditional support of Israel's military actions in Gaza. Yeah, it will be rough for him, but that's the type of atmosphere he needs to engage with to start to mitigate the concerns about his age. Honestly the unconditional support for Israel has made me decided to vote third party again in the next election. Fuck the Dems and Republicans. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 Yeah, both sides support Israel, but one side doesn’t believe in representative democracy. Totally the same thing. gods were so fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpvoteShittyTakesOnly Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, DPCyric said: Honestly the unconditional support for Israel has made me decided to vote third party again in the next election. Fuck the Dems and Republicans. single issue voting is dumb but single issue voting the israel palestine issue is shocking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPCyric Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, UpvoteShittyTakesOnly said: single issue voting is dumb but single issue voting the israel palestine issue is shocking I'm in Indiana anyways my vote counts more for a 3rd party than it would for the Dems. Edit: I find it concerning that voting against the support of genocide is shocking... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I’d like to be the first to congratulate President Trump on his victory. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarSolo Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, DPCyric said: I'm in Indiana anyways my vote counts more for a 3rd party than it would for the Dems. Edit: I find it concerning that voting against the support of genocide is shocking... The Republicans like more genocide though, like genociding blacks, gays, trans, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaysWho? Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 43 minutes ago, DPCyric said: I'm in Indiana anyways my vote counts more for a 3rd party than it would for the Dems. Edit: I find it concerning that voting against the support of genocide is shocking... Hasn't the Democratic Party always been supportive of Israel? Israel is considered an ally same as any other ally, I always thought. I'm supportive of a ceasefire in the Middle East considering the difference in lives lost between the original terrorist attack and the response since then; many innocent Palestinian civilans are dead now and didn't have to be by many times the number of innocent Israeali who died and didn't have to. And I've been reading there's been progress in that direction. But I don't know if I'd be on-board with not supporting Israel after the Hamas attack considering it was a terrorist attack through and through. I have Jewish friends who are pro-Israel who were also pro-Black Lives Matter and they were stunned and outraged with BLM Chicago posted the pro-Hamas picture with the people parachuting in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stepee Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I think also, importantly, voting third party definitely is not equivalent to voting against the support of genocide by any metric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 My idiot friend in 2016 voted for Jill Stein. Jill Stein didn't become president. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 So marijuana had a slightly higher yes percentage, but abortion had both more overall and more yes votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I’m voting third party as well, but it doesn’t matter either way since I live in a deep red state. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 My chud-filled township just voted in a Dem for Mayor and BOTH Dems that were on the ticket for Township Council, all by high margins. I legitimately cannot remember the last time a Democrat won in my town, let alone winning everything on the ballot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Spork3245 said: My chud-filled township just voted in a Dem for Mayor and BOTH Dems that were on the ticket for Township Council, all by high margins. I legitimately cannot remember the last time a Democrat won in my town, let alone winning everything on the ballot. We don't do hope on this board! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spork3245 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, TUFKAK said: We don't do hope on this board! Look, can’t I just enjoy all the crying on my town’s FB page? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subzwari1987 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 16 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: My chud-filled township just voted in a Dem for Mayor and BOTH Dems that were on the ticket for Township Council, all by high margins. I legitimately cannot remember the last time a Democrat won in my town, let alone winning everything on the ballot. Town elections are different from a presidental election decided by electorates. South Carolina hasn’t voted for a democrat since Carter, and this state is full of MAGA chuds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, Spork3245 said: My chud-filled township just voted in a Dem for Mayor and BOTH Dems that were on the ticket for Township Council, all by high margins. I legitimately cannot remember the last time a Democrat won in my town, let alone winning everything on the ballot. Local elections are partisan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreePi Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 People are way too fucking precious about their vote. The vote is a statement of preference of one candidate over the other, not a statement of support of every single policy position they hold. You can vote for a less than ideal candidate one day and use the other 364 days a year to press and advocate on those positions you have an issue with. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ominous Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 1 hour ago, ThreePi said: People are way too fucking precious about their vote. The vote is a statement of preference of one candidate over the other, not a statement of support of every single policy position they hold. You can vote for a less than ideal candidate one day and use the other 364 days a year to press and advocate on those positions you have an issue with. No, one must love it or leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Air_Delivery Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, Ominous said: No, one must love it or leave it. Fascism for everyone if Biden isn't perfect. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUFKAK Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Air_Delivery said: Fascism for everyone if Biden isn't perfect. A Republic, if you can keep it. Biden didn’t do everything I wanted, fuck the republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewhyteboar Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Spokane and other WA elections offices halt ballot counting, evacuate over white powder WWW.SPOKESMAN.COM Washington's three most populous counties – King, Pierce and Spokane – stopped counting ballots and evacuated elections workers Wednesday when a suspicious white substance was found in envelopes. The Democratic challenger for mayor of Spokane (the 2nd biggest city in Washington) is currently up 3%, but they had to delay the count because somebody mailed fentanyl to the election office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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